Twenty of House Goodmen Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 who will join her army of savages and slaves? (apart from the freys ofc)Tons of Westrosi lords will be against her in favor for Aegon, but she will get allies. The dragons themselves will make sure of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 the sellsword compaines of essos When? We know about naked warriors using curved swords fighting eunuchs phalanx...nothing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnar of Fens Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Unsullied also have no experience of winter warfare, which could get awkward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Trell Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 the sellsword compaines of essos Who are almost equally unimpressive. And altogether number about as much as a single Westerosi army. And none of them have real heavy cavalry either iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalhotpie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 You are mixing up things right now. These are not Spanish Tercios, or Spartan or Macedonian phalanx ... these are eunuchs physically weak and they are fighting warriors that historically talking take them almost 2000 years ahead. Has grmm ever said what the unsullied are based on, seems they are a mix of spartan and swiss pikemen and the mamluks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalhotpie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 When? We know about naked warriors using curved swords fighting eunuchs phalanx...nothing more says they are sold all over the free cities in batches of 100 or 1000, would stand to reason that they have faced sellsword companies as well as dothraki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnar of Fens Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 says they are sold all over the free cities in batches of 100 or 1000, would stand to reason that they have faced sellsword companies as well as dothraki. sold mostly as household guard in the free cities, not as soldiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalhotpie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Who are almost equally unimpressive. And altogether number about as much as a single Westerosi army. And none of them have real heavy cavalry either iirc. does it say anywhere they dont have cavalry, some of the them seem almost exclusively cavalry, given the sellsword companies all seem to wage war in the westerosi fashion it would seem odd if there was 0 heavy cavalry among all those exiled and washed up knights. The golden company seem to have heavy cavalry, now granted they are considered the best but for a combinded force of assorted other sellsword companies to stand agasint them (as im assuming ud have to hire given their sheer size) it stands to reason they would have heavy horse too (otherwise wars in essos would simply be a case of he who can pick up the golden company first wins ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnar of Fens Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 does it say anywhere they dont have cavalry, some of the them seem almost exclusively cavalry, given the sellsword companies all seem to wage war in the westerosi fashion it would seem odd if there was 0 heavy cavalry among all those exiled and washed up knights. The golden company seem to have heavy cavalry, now granted they are considered the best but for a combinded force of assorted other sellsword companies to stand agasint them (as im assuming ud have to hire given their sheer size) it stands to reason they would have heavy horse too (otherwise wars in essos would simply be a case of he who can pick up the golden company first wins ) sellsword companies aren't the only fighting forces in Essos, every city has armies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalhotpie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 sold mostly as household guard in the free cities, not as soldiers mostly but given the constant warfare in essos it would seem nuts that u can buy unquestioning armoured and well trained men by the thousand and not ever use that in wars too. Given the fickle nature of sellswords it sounds too good not to use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Heath Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Tons of Westrosi lords will be against her in favor for Aegon, but she will get allies. The dragons themselves will make sure of that. Dany only has one dragon now though, Victarion will probably take control of her other two. And that will end badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnar of Fens Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 mostly but given the constant warfare in essos it would seem nuts that u can buy unquestioning armoured and well trained men by the thousand and not ever use that in wars too. Given the fickle nature of sellswords it sounds too good not to use hasn't been a war in slavers bay for 5 milennia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalhotpie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 sellsword companies aren't the only fighting forces in Essos, every city has armies But the general impression given is the unsullied and the sellswords are the best u can get over there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalhotpie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 hasn't been a war in slavers bay for 5 milennia constant war east though , and it does say they are sold all over even ilyrio had a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnar of Fens Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 still, your theory that they are widely used in essos because they are the best is backed up by your theory that all other options are weak/untrustworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0bR Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Thank you! But I hardly have the strength of Sandor Clegane or Arthur Dayne, or Jorah, and that doesn't make me an eunuch. There are differences IMO. Those Unsullied should be 1'5m tall and 50kg for weight. Just a note. Boys castrated before puberty actually tended to grow taller than average as their long bones apparently grow for a longer time. Which of course does not help much when you still lack any kind of muscle mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTS Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marignano The French gendarmes defeated the Swiss pikemen, so pikemen are not invincible. Well the Gendarmes were heavy cavalry so i don't think they represent the Unsullied in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalhotpie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 still, your theory that they are widely used in essos because they are the best is backed up by your theory that all other options are weak/untrustworthy Makes sense though , if ur the head of say lys or somewhere and u already have a professional backbone of troops wouldnt u augment that with a mix of unsullied and sellswords? The unsullied are trained professionals that can be bought by the thousand but are robotic and only fight one way, the sellswords come with a mix westerosi style warfare tactics (archers, foot, cavarly ) and can think but u cant trust them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Trell Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 does it say anywhere they dont have cavalry, some of the them seem almost exclusively cavalry, given the sellsword companies all seem to wage war in the westerosi fashion it would seem odd if there was 0 heavy cavalry among all those exiled and washed up knights. The golden company seem to have heavy cavalry, now granted they are considered the best but for a combinded force of assorted other sellsword companies to stand agasint them (as im assuming ud have to hire given their sheer size) it stands to reason they would have heavy horse too (otherwise wars in essos would simply be a case of he who can pick up the golden company first wins ) None are mentioned to have heavy horse besides the Golden Company. Heavy cavalry is less useful in Essos given the heat. The Disputed Lands, where most conflict in Essos appears to take place, sits opposite Dorne on the Narrow Sea. Heavy armor is a hindrance in Dorne, logically its a hindrance in the Disputed Lands as well. Thus, not much heavy cavalry in Essos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khalhotpie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 None are mentioned to have heavy horse besides the Golden Company. Heavy cavalry is less useful in Essos given the heat. The Disputed Lands, where most conflict in Essos appears to take place, sits opposite Dorne on the Narrow Sea. Heavy armor is a hindrance in Dorne, logically its a hindrance in the Disputed Lands as well. Thus, not much heavy cavalry in Essos. the sellswords seem to be made up of and/or influenced by westerosi knights ending up in essos for one reason or another so there will be heavy cavalry in various concentrations in each company The sack of astapor talks of many windblown sleeping in and them all rushing to don armour .....hints many of the sellswords do wear some form of armour. Like dorne then may may use lighter armour but still wear it, others like jorah and ser selemy may keep out of their heavy armour til battle is right on them astapor seems to hint even half assed fake unsullied can take a charge of professional armoured men comming at their flanks So Overall getting back on track the unsullied will prob have been charged with armoured men on horseback with lance before their main problem is numbers, 8-9 thousand without dragons isnt gonna do squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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