red snow Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Oh man, there should have been a crossover. Instead of Eric Kroenig, we get Constable Bob! That would have been an amazing showdown with Ward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I got bored around episode 3, but sounds like it's picking up. Maybe it'll become like Babylon 5; a good show with am awful season 1 people laugh over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidrun Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 It took me about 4-5 episodes before I actually got into it. Overall, I like it. It's not a favorite, and I doubt it will be, but it's a way to pass the time and just a show to be involved in. And of course the internet brings out the inner snarker in all of us :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I got bored around episode 3, but sounds like it's picking up. Maybe it'll become like Babylon 5; a good show with am awful season 1 people laugh over. Up to episode 16 it was nowhere near the quality of B5 season 1, and I highly doubt that it will ever equal that show at its best. SHIELD is still plenty stupid, but they've finally created a sense of direction and some of the villains inject a bit of fun that was mostly absent so far. They might be able to turn around some of the good guys as well, but at least Fitz has actually gotten worse with the introduction of a love triangle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetyrPunkinhead Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Anybody have any guesses about what agency Mama May belonged to? CIA? I enjoyed quite a bit of last night and I agree that the lie detector scene was stupid, but they did need some way to "prove" Ward was good before revealing to Skye that he was bad. It was a clear plot device but I'm ok with it given I enjoyed the tension and Skye's "switch" to agent when they found each other. Agreed. And poor Patton Oswalt, doomed to be the dupe in every cool series he guest stars in. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell is Burning Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Agreed. And poor Patton Oswalt, doomed to be the dupe in every cool series he guest stars in. :/ Hey, Constable Bob was a certified badass! He would have kicked Ward's ass in no-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 Yes, by the standards of the show it wasn't a big deal. But Ward's injuries alone should have been enough to throw off the machine. Instead of going for the fake tension (that nobody who has ever seen a TV show before was going to fall for), they could just have Koenig postpone Ward's screening until he had recovered a bit more. TBH I was expecting Konig to twig and for Ward to take him out with some Hydra baddassery. So much for Patton Oswalt being a semi-regular guest appearance. I wonder if Bill Paxton will actually survive the season. He's the only actor with Actor who was known before Ironman the movie status left no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 It was solid. I'm glad to see is continuing to move and not languishing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 This episode was a mioxture of me being very happy to see Amy Acker, and annoyed to have her wasted on such an unimportant spineless role. And I hated the way no one really took Coulson to task on just letting her believe he was dead. I'd like Maria Hill to show up again, even if it is only for a couple of episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 This episode was a mioxture of me being very happy to see Amy Acker, and annoyed to have her wasted on such an unimportant spineless role. And I hated the way no one really took Coulson to task on just letting her believe he was dead. I'd like Maria Hill to show up again, even if it is only for a couple of episodes. I know some people find her annoying in "Person of Interest" but she is put to far more use in that show. This felt like a favour to Whedon and the Dollhouse crew as the character was pretty unremarkable. Coulson should have been called out for his logic. If she was in love with him she'd be relieved. I guess he's convinced he's going to die again though, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I know some people find her annoying in "Person of Interest" but she is put to far more use in that show. This felt like a favour to Whedon and the Dollhouse crew as the character was pretty unremarkable. Coulson should have been called out for his logic. If she was in love with him she'd be relieved. I guess he's convinced he's going to die again though, The people who find her annoying in PoI are crazy. She's one of my favorite parts. She could make another appearance here though now that they've set up the character. The cellist was mentioned in IM2 and the Avengers I think so maybe it'll play a stronger part in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 She could make another appearance here though now that they've set up the character. The cellist was mentioned in IM2 and the Avengers I think so maybe it'll play a stronger part in the future? But it was such a simpering useless character. I can't see the rest of the MCU giving up valuable screen time for her. 'The cellist' was only ever a plot devise to put a man behind the badge. I'd have preferred her to be kept that way, but I guess Agent's can't resist an easy target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 So anyone think they're hedging bets for the second season with Ward vs. Trip? Giving Trip some solid MCU Family Cred could make it much easier for him to slip into the specialist role on the team if they've decided to dump Ward through death or disappearance or if they leave him evil... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 So anyone think they're hedging bets for the second season with Ward vs. Trip? Giving Trip some solid MCU Family Cred could make it much easier for him to slip into the specialist role on the team if they've decided to dump Ward through death or disappearance or if they leave him evil... I do hope Ward survives the season as a villain of some sort as he's quite fun at the moment and given the history would make a good antagonist. Assuming they don't play some deep undercover scheme (which wouldn't make much sense now). This is the kind of show where they don't really bother with characterisation unless they have to and I think Trip wouldn't have been in that chair if they weren't planning on making him a regular. He's inoffensive enough so far. In which case there needs to be a face off between the two ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Trip's cool, I'd like to see a bit more of his personality though. I'm not quite sold on the Howling Commando connection, but I could be convinced. Ward on the other hand works great as a villain. Somehow he just seemed so imposing during this episode. Like Cap 2 finally convinced me of the sheer physicality of Steve Rogers, Ward just seemed so much more dangerous here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Trip's cool, I'd like to see a bit more of his personality though. I'm not quite sold on the Howling Commando connection, but I could be convinced. Ward on the other hand works great as a villain. Somehow he just seemed so imposing during this episode. Like Cap 2 finally convinced me of the sheer physicality of Steve Rogers, Ward just seemed so much more dangerous here. Agreed and I think it's because of the nonchalance of his killing. Pulling out his gun and killing the two guys in the elevator. Putting 3 into Hand and one into the two guys surrounding Garrett on the plane. Killing Koenig. When you have a guy willing to kill without hesitation, it makes him dangerous. Same thing happened as Rogers in that opening scene (one of my favorite action sequences ever). You can actually see why Ward is considered a badass now. As a good guy, he was just too restrained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Trip's cool, I'd like to see a bit more of his personality though. I'm not quite sold on the Howling Commando connection, but I could be convinced. We could do with more character development for everyone on the show. Except possibly Coulson, the show has managed to pretty much kill my interest in him (and I wasn't all that interested to begin with). Regarding the Howling Commando thing, that points to Triplett becoming more important, but apparently it's also a weird in-joke, as Eric Koenig was a member of the unit in the comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warg Arry Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I'm not enjoying evil Ward. Not that I particularly liked Pre-Hydra Ward. He was a bit of a non entity then. A lump that could sometimes be counted on to fight or shoot one guy while May took out the rest.Evil ward though. It's off. He was an undercover agent that had the trust of others. Then he goes of a Hydra raid party and all of a sudden he is incapable of being able to slip into his previous role. Now he is all twitchy, shifty eyed, Cocks his head a little and allows the evil smirk. and the "I'm a bad man" stuff.Then there is the capacity for stupid. There were so many ways he could have avoided being discovered and still cover his ass. Which would have been entertaining as an audience member who is in on the secret. But he is a straight up killer now. There's no room for thinking on his feet. Like he is suppose to be good at.Then again him avoiding discovery probably wouldn't have served the story they are leading to. I feel like this is a show I could absolutely be in love with. If there was some element of intelligent writing and direction. At this point it feels a bit like I'm watching because I want to be invested. I do really want to like it. And I get pay off when there are enjoyable episodes. One must have hope. I'm wondering if Skye hacked the windows. She did have that tablet with her. And I did like that she had the forethought to put the coin back. (somehow)I didn't love the waste of Amy Acker. The lady is talented. She could have given so much more. (That transition scene in Angel. Tears. Every time I watch it.)But I think for the Ward stuff to work/happen. Coulson and co had to be away from there. That's the only story purpose I could see it serving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I'm not enjoying evil Ward. Not that I particularly liked Pre-Hydra Ward. He was a bit of a non entity then. A lump that could sometimes be counted on to fight or shoot one guy while May took out the rest.Evil ward though. It's off. He was an undercover agent that had the trust of others. Then he goes of a Hydra raid party and all of a sudden he is incapable of being able to slip into his previous role. Now he is all twitchy, shifty eyed, Cocks his head a little and allows the evil smirk. and the "I'm a bad man" stuff. I think no matter whether it was planned from the beginning or not, this clearly shows that it was good that the actor nor the directors knew about Ward beforehand. Because "act casual, but in an evil way" is not subtle. But as the show is generally pretty on the nose, so I simply enjoy the colour that was injected when Paxton and Ward started hamming it up. But he is a straight up killer now. There's no room for thinking on his feet. Like he is suppose to be good at. Best marks since Romanoff!!!Seriously, even allowing for the idea that he was planned to be evil all along and so occasionally screwed up on purpose, he's been shown to be bad at some pretty basic spy stuff over the course of the series so far. Nothing new there. But they're clearly aiming for a big showdown between loyalists and traitors for the season (series?) finale, so Ward outing himself serves that plot.What could have been fun would have been to let the viewers in on Ward being up to something early on, and seeing that play out until the Hydra reveal. But then again it would also have been fun if the show had been good, with well developed characters so that their world is crumbling around them we would actually care about them. I didn't love the waste of Amy Acker. The lady is talented. She could have given so much more. (That transition scene in Angel. Tears. Every time I watch it.) The "Do you want me to lie to you now?" scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 The "Do you want me to lie to you now?" scene? Great scene, but I think WA meant this one. Angel spoilers (obviously.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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