[Book Spoilers] Bran and Company

[Cabeld of Casterly Rock]

For the final episode I'm guessing:

• Tywin/Tyrion scene
• Dany imprisoning her dragons
• Lady Stoneheart reveal as the last shot

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EDIT: This long ass theory-session, I'm bored in class.

As for the Bran & Co. stuck in Uncle Craster's Keep of Creeps and Cranium-Drinkers, I see Jon arriving with his company and killing the mutineers. Hodor will extract vengeance on Ollo Lophand and scream "HODOR", as he uses his corpse as a warhammer against the rest of the mutineers. Okay, probably not, but I wouldn't mind if Hodor got some revenge for the whole "chain-to-a-post-and-stab-the-nice-guy" bit. What douches. A scene I am looking forward to, and I hope will happen, will be the one where Jon and Locke go ahead of the party (to scout) and get Ghost and save Summer. I think they could have a nice climax right here, whether it be Locke revealing his plans and Ghost executing him Bran-assassin style, or just some clever character building from the writers. I can't really imagine Jon's reaction to Jeor's Skull being used as a cup, as I could see Dirk using it as somewhat of a taunt in the battle.

Also, to the people who say that Jon/Bran meet-up will change everything, I am pretty skeptical about if they will actually meet one-another. I could see all the attention being stolen when Jon & Co. show up to avenge their fallen brothers, and Bran & Co. sneaking out. Also, a lot of people have theory-crafted that Bran will warg into the mind of Ghost/Summer, but I think him skinchanging into Hodor may be introduced. Everything is up for grabs at this point; after the final scene in S0E404, nothing introduced later in the books is safe.

[Little and Less]

I kind of agree with Cabeld - I want Bran to do something kick ass via Hodor. We need someone to show why warging is awesome and dangerous all at the same time.

I want Hodor to escape and "release the hounds". Summer and Ghost need to remind us why they should be feared. Karl and Co. put a wild beast in a cage and then mistreated it. Ghost better get some vengence - I'd be disappointed if he didn't.

[Little and Less]

I've wondered that myself...you would think the 3EC would intervene somehow, like free the direwolves? Or introduce Coldhands into the picture?

[Chebyshov]

I've wondered that myself...you would think the 3EC would intervene somehow, like free the direwolves? Or introduce Coldhands into the picture?

I thought that might have happened last episode, but now that Bran told them his name, I think it's sealing the deal that Jon's going to be the one to get them out of this mess (probably aided by Bran warging).

[John Suburbs]

I'm having a hard time seeing Jon make to Craster's, finding Bran, and then just letting him continue on his way north.

As well, we still need John to be back a the wall before the wildlings attack from the south. Otherwise, they have to skip the entire scene with Ygritte with an arrow through her chest saying "you know nothing, Jon Snow."

[Envie]

i really hope bran will warg into hodor at night, break those chains (just like in the sigil of house umber) and free both direwolves. although i would love to see hodor go berserk and smash some of these mutineering rapists into pieces, it would make more sense if they just stuck to their usual ways and sneaked off into the dark. when jon and company arrive, bran could assist them by warging into summer and mauling rast and his buddies anyway.

Yeah - you know ... when they showed poor Hodor in chains being taunted / stabbed by those a**holes, I really hoped Bran would start warging into him to save him and have him attack them / kill a few. This could also help defend his position when Meera and Jojen are scandalized by the fact he's warging into Hodor which goes against the 'laws' of warging. It's taboo to warg into another human without destroying the human or the warg or both. We get a lot of that information from the Varamyr Sixskins story which they are probably leaving out entirely. So having Jojen and Meera confront Bran about how 'wrong' it is to warg into another person would make sense and he'd need to defend himself because he was trying to save Hodor.

[John Suburbs]

Yeah - you know ... when they showed poor Hodor in chains being taunted / stabbed by those a**holes, I really hoped Bran would start warging into him to save him and have him attack them / kill a few. This could also help defend his position when Meera and Jojen are scandalized by the fact he's warging into Hodor which goes against the 'laws' of warging. It's taboo to warg into another human without destroying the human or the warg or both. We get a lot of that information from the Varamyr Sixskins story which they are probably leaving out entirely. So having Jojen and Meera confront Bran about how 'wrong' it is to warg into another person would make sense and he'd need to defend himself because he was trying to save Hodor.

I think if he did that, Hodor would end up dead. He has no armor, and Bran doesn't have much skill at arms. And there are a number of brothers at Craster's, some of whom have bows and crossbows.

[Envie]

I think if he did that, Hodor would end up dead. He has no armor, and Bran doesn't have much skill at arms. And there are a number of brothers at Craster's, some of whom have bows and crossbows.

This is true too... unless Hodor's 'giant blood' comes out and he's suddenly able to break his chains and deflect arrows / swords - he's going to have trouble (even with someone in the driver's seat) taking out many of those jerks. Maybe it happens when the poo hits the fan during the battle with Jon and this is how Hodor gets them all out of there (frees the direwolves, busts down doors to get Bran and Jojen and Meera freed, etc) .... I just wanna see Hodor go Incredible Hulk mode! :devil:

[sj4iy]

I kind of agree with Cabeld - I want Bran to do something kick ass via Hodor. We need someone to show why warging is awesome and dangerous all at the same time.

I want Hodor to escape and "release the hounds". Summer and Ghost need to remind us why they should be feared. Karl and Co. put a wild beast in a cage and then mistreated it. Ghost better get some vengence - I'd be disappointed if he didn't.

I turned to my husband after Rast taunted Ghost and said "...and that's how you get disemboweled by a direwolf later on in the show".

/book it, done

[High-born Plumber]

I wonder how Maester Luwin would feel about Bran rollin' north of the wall etc...after he'd told Bran his dreams didnt mean anything?

: )

[Obebb]

While the idea of a hulk Hodor busting Bran and co out of Craster's is fun, it would be completely unacceptable if Meera played no part in the escape

[John Suburbs]

I'm still holding out hope that in the end it will be Bran wielding Dark Sister through Hodor, and riding a dragon.

[Hiram McDrogon]

It would make sense for Bran to warg into a mutineer and release the dire wolves.

I'm wondering about this as well. In "Oathkeeper", Rast's weakness was emphasized again and again - could there be a scene where Jojen explains to Bran that he can warg into someone of weak will, and Bran fixes on Rast? That may be too big a jump after last season's brief warging into Hodor, but maybe it'd work and also show how Bran's powers are growing fast.

[King Tam Stark]

For the final episode I'm guessing:

• Tywin/Tyrion scene
• Dany imprisoning her dragons
• Lady Stoneheart reveal as the last shot

____________________________________

EDIT: This long ass theory-session, I'm bored in class.

As for the Bran & Co. stuck in Uncle Craster's Keep of Creeps and Cranium-Drinkers, I see Jon arriving with his company and killing the mutineers. Hodor will extract vengeance on Ollo Lophand and scream "HODOR", as he uses his corpse as a warhammer against the rest of the mutineers. Okay, probably not, but I wouldn't mind if Hodor got some revenge for the whole "chain-to-a-post-and-stab-the-nice-guy" bit. What douches. A scene I am looking forward to, and I hope will happen, will be the one where Jon and Locke go ahead of the party (to scout) and get Ghost and save Summer. I think they could have a nice climax right here, whether it be Locke revealing his plans and Ghost executing him Bran-assassin style, or just some clever character building from the writers. I can't really imagine Jon's reaction to Jeor's Skull being used as a cup, as I could see Dirk using it as somewhat of a taunt in the battle.

Also, to the people who say that Jon/Bran meet-up will change everything, I am pretty skeptical about if they will actually meet one-another. I could see all the attention being stolen when Jon & Co. show up to avenge their fallen brothers, and Bran & Co. sneaking out. Also, a lot of people have theory-crafted that Bran will warg into the mind of Ghost/Summer, but I think him skinchanging into Hodor may be introduced. Everything is up for grabs at this point; after the final scene in S0E404, nothing introduced later in the books is safe.

He's already done it.

Yeah - you know ... when they showed poor Hodor in chains being taunted / stabbed by those a**holes, I really hoped Bran would start warging into him to save him and have him attack them / kill a few. This could also help defend his position when Meera and Jojen are scandalized by the fact he's warging into Hodor which goes against the 'laws' of warging. It's taboo to warg into another human without destroying the human or the warg or both. We get a lot of that information from the Varamyr Sixskins story which they are probably leaving out entirely. So having Jojen and Meera confront Bran about how 'wrong' it is to warg into another person would make sense and he'd need to defend himself because he was trying to save Hodor.

Where they scandalised when he done it previously when they where in danger?

I can see Bran warging Hodor killing maybe a couple of guards probably late at night releasing the Direwolves and escaping then Ghost going off to find Jon to lead them to Crasters and finish the job and it's Ghost that then saves Jon from Locke.

[Jess Bishop]

For some reason this revised storyline really bothers me. On one hand I'm glad Jon knows Bran is alive and that they may meet again; on the other seeing Ghost locked up was a far cry from the storyline in the books and slightly hard to watch.

[Cabeld of Casterly Rock]

Coldhands is a possibility, because (correct me if I am wrong) isn't he expecting Bran & Co. to venture beyond the wall? Bran witnesses him killing Night's Watch men (in our case, perhaps the Mutineers?) and sees he is a wight. So, maybe we get a Coldhands rescue, Jon & Co. arrive to find everyone dead (Jon gets revenge on Dirk — Bolton style. Or just Stark style. The point is, they made him so much more unlikable — unfortunately less complex, but TV-viewers need a standin.Joffrey — in the show.)

EDIT: Typed up above yesterday — Theories = Extended

@KingTamStark totally forgot about that. So, it won't seem as ridiculous when TV viewers see it.

Having Ghost locked up:

1. Provides an explanation for viewers on where he has been

2. Allows for a nice sequence in the next episode.
Obviously, the writers have a good idea on where to go next with the show, (off-topic note: despite all the hate this season on D&D, this season has been pretty damn good.) and I trust them with the plans they have.

The only really positive thing coming out of a huge plot change like this would be saving TV-viewers from spoilers and surprising readers. Whether it somehow finds itself back in the book-plot, or it takes a detour and establishes a new story arc, I think it will be really damn good. [Hype Intensifies]

[Envie]

He's already done it.

Where they scandalised when he done it previously when they where in danger?

I can see Bran warging Hodor killing maybe a couple of guards probably late at night releasing the Direwolves and escaping then Ghost going off to find Jon to lead them to Crasters and finish the job and it's Ghost that then saves Jon from Locke.

Maybe 'scandalized' is a bit heavy word. I do remember in the books that Jojen warned him against warging into people and that most wargs can't even do it - they can drive the other person insane, lose their own mind / connection, or it's too hard to control. The only reason he does it easily with Hodor is because Hodor doesn't have much of a mind to control. It's also in the 'code of ethics' as described by Varamyr Sixskins (who also does it in his story and has disastrous results if I recall).

But yeah, I've been reading some of the preview speculations and it seems like a lot of people are hoping Bran wargs into Hodor to get Summer and Ghost released to start the mayhem / distraction so they can escape.

Next week's Craster's place fight scene is definitely highly anticipated!

[Dany's Silver]

It seems apparent to me that neither Edd nor Grenn knew that the mutineers had captured Ghost, or it would have been mentioned (mind you, given what takes place off screen in this adaptation, I could be wrong!). We could see one of them tell Jon, "Over there us where you'll find Ghost" when theynapproach CK, and then they'll find Summer, too. Since Bran was seen warging Summer with his eyes closed (or while asleep), Bran might reestablish his connection with Summer around about the same time that Jon sees Ghost

ETA: Ghost

[Petyr Patter]

Another thought occurs to me.

Craster's Keep has not been a part of the books since Sam fled them. We just had Martin release in Arya chapter before a highly similar scene in the show, albeit under different timing.

Could Bran and the Reeds be experiencing a "Winds of Winter" plot line not yet published?

I don't see how, the story has gone far beyond that. Bran and Co, some of the former NW, are/were far to the north of Craster's place, and Bran would have to leave CoTF and go thru a lot to even getting back there.

Well, I am strongly of the opinion they aren't going to stay in that cave forever. And when the leave, they have a long journey regardless, and that journey might take them through Craster's Keep.

[King Tam Stark]

Well, I am strongly of the opinion they aren't going to stay in that cave forever. And when the leave, they have a long journey regardless, and that journey might take them through Craster's Keep.

I think it's definitely possible remember with the timelines and the last time we heard from Bran & co. they could have already left the cave and started the journey.