Señor de la Tormenta Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Stannis - Jon plot line offering him to be Jon Stark likely ruined.... Or heavy changed. He would now know he cant accept cause it is his brothers lordship. And if Bran is alive, Rickon is likely to be. I dont see how Jon is having a conflict at all. Either Stannis offer wont happen, or wont be so hard for Jon. Also, Jon is now in the "Theon didnt do it" camp. If book Jon buddie with Stannis had this info he would likely share it with Stann. By the way I predict no farya, and a Battle of Ice for Rickon. What do you think of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averde Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I don't know it depends how this whole Craster scenario plays out, maybe it'll end with Jon thinking Bran is dead or something. I can't see Jon letting Bran go deeper north willingly so their going to have to handle it all somehow. D&D hate Stannis anyway so I always assume any cool part of his story will get cut out anyway. I think the whole farya thing will play out because of the fact that D&D seem to be really into the whole Theon story and it wouldn't be really all that hard to introduce some girl as farya later on. They could even wait till Ramsays wedding for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 I don't know it depends how this whole Craster scenario plays out, maybe it'll end with Jon thinking Bran is dead or something. I can't see Jon letting Bran go deeper north willingly so their going to have to handle it all somehow. D&D hate Stannis anyway so I always assume any cool part of his story will get cut out anyway. I think the whole farya thing will play out because of the fact that D&D seem to be really into the whole Theon story and it wouldn't be really all that hard to introduce some girl as farya later on. They could even wait till Ramsays wedding for that matter.Even if he thinks Bran is dead. How would he be sure Rickon isnt? Now he knows Theon didnt kill the boys. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nothatso Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Maybe they'll have Locke come after Bran, and then have Bran use that to persuade Jon not to tell anyone he's alive. Stannis could then still offer Jon Winterfell even if his reasons for turning it down are different. Or what Averde said with Jon potentially thinking he's dead for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrohsis Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I always thought it was contrived that Sam didn't tell Bran. The offer of Winterfell will still tempt him, especially if the Boltons are occupying it. Even if Jon knows Bran and Rickon live, he'll still be tempted to involve himself in the affairs of the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojam Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I always thought it was contrived that Sam didn't tell Bran. The offer of Winterfell will still tempt him, especially if the Boltons are occupying it. Even if Jon knows Bran and Rickon live, he'll still be tempted to involve himself in the affairs of the North. We have had quite some passage of time without Sam telling Jon what he knows...and not reason given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averde Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Even if he thinks Bran is dead. How would he be sure Rickon isnt? Now he knows Theon didnt kill the boys. Fact.Meh, I could see a lot of the average show watchers not putting that together and the show not really mentioning Rickon again for a long, long, long time if ever. You bring up a great point and everything and I 100% agree with you, it's just I think it's somethiing that D&D might just gloss over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franko99 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I always thought it was contrived that Sam didn't tell Bran. The offer of Winterfell will still tempt him, especially if the Boltons are occupying it. Even if Jon knows Bran and Rickon live, he'll still be tempted to involve himself in the affairs of the North. Yes, I always thought Sam not telling Jon was stupid, so, good thing the show changed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince_of_ice_and_fire Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 As long as Jon doesn't see Bran I'm cool with that. I don't wanna see the starks meeting each other again 'till George wants them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightStark Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 We have had quite some passage of time without Sam telling Jon what he knows...and not reason given. Jon said that Sam told him as soon as he arrived back after Ygritte feathered him but he couldn't go after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib_Juju Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I dunno-- I think they'll get out of Craster's well before the NW gets there, and Jon will still be left to assume that Bran is most likely dead-- just north of the wall and dead, instead of in Winterfell and dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Bran and company will escape during the battle and free ghost. I bet Summer and Ghost join the fight against the deserters and that is as close as Jon and Bran will get. Me thinks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannicus Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think there is still a chance their paths don't cross. I just don't see a reunion between the two next week. Then even if he knows Theon didn't do it, it would be a lot for Jon to assume Bran would survive winter beyond the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty K Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 He already thought to himself that it wasn't fair because Sansa was still alive, I don't think this changes anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I guess they will change the reasons for Jon not accepting but he won't tell Stannis why. Maybe Bran here asks Jon not to tell, and that he must leave and go North because he knows how to defeat the Others. Then, Jon realises that Bran might never return or that it will take him so long. So, it's like for now, they're dead and can't return to reclaim Winterfel. And they don't know where Rickon is. I don't mind the changes so far but it's like they're trying to distance themselves for certain details while they will have the same end. It's the details what explains the end, and that's why many things feel fucked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurktan Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 One interesting possible thread here is Locke. It's kind of weird in ADWD that Ramsey has a particular hard on for Jon with that letter. Could the show be setting up a reason for that hate with a potential Jon killing Locke and sending his head to the dreadfort as LC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistress of Lemon Cakes Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think it's highly possible that even if Jon and Bran do meet (and let's be honest, that would be quite an emotional and cathartic moment for show and book readers) ... Bran and Jojen would still tell Jon that Bran can't go back with him. There's the bigger picture to think about. But who knows? It really depends on how it all plays out. I'm okay with this change for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Dont underestimate the butterfly effect.Even George admitted Jaime sooner arrival to KL kind of messed the Cersei now rape scene...And this is far bigger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercyTheBlindUglyLittleCat Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Agreed, this is going to have consequences for the adaptation, both this season and far into the future. Hopefully nothing too bad. I dont care about the Jon Stark thing. It was obvious to me that was never really gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Butterfly effect? Hell, it's freaking hurricane now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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