The Taxman Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Bran has to have something to do. Jon has to have something to do. Combine their needs and boom - plot, conflict. Nothing changes the story. Jon's not deserting just to save Bran. Chances are he'll reach Craster's just as Bran is leaving, they'll glimpse each other and do some cheesy half-smile and go their separate ways. I just don't like how Ghost is caged? How long has it been in show time? Has someone been feeding him, walking him? :lol: The fact that Jon knows Bran is alive has already fucked up the Stannis/Jon scenes. D&D are retarded if they managed to screw that up somehow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybobbie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I still hope that they miss each other somehow, before the fight or during it, because I simply don't like the idea of them meeting at all. Jon already knows that he is alive what is a big change, so to consider that they meet and that Bran will have to escape Locke and also convince Jon that he had to keep going north is too much for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Taxman Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Yes, probably. It changes Jon's characterisation a bit, but since he refuses anyway it doesn't change the storyline. That's what they seem to be doing in general anyway, tweak the characters but put them in the same major events as the books. That's a major major major tweak. It's a lot more powerful that Jon denies all lordship and remains a bastard at the NW believing that he is the last Stark than denying knowing Bran is still alive... like no shit. Nobody would accept your bastard ass if you tried to claim the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I could see Bran warging Hodor again maybe, to free Ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Yes, probably. It changes Jon's characterisation a bit, but since he refuses anyway it doesn't change the storyline. That's what they seem to be doing in general anyway, tweak the characters but put them in the same major events as the books. It's not a huge thing, but it was kind of a defining moment for him...he is offered what he has secretly wanted all of his life...yet he rejects it in the end. I must be the only person who thought Ghost being captured was RIDICULOUS!!!!!! LOL, and the depraved Craster's rapist mutineers are going to keep the direwolf alive? WTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The fact that Jon knows Bran is alive has already fucked up the Stannis/Jon scenes. D&D are retarded if they managed to screw that up somehow... It changes the scene as you know it. The scene hasn't even happened yet and you're already devastated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 yeah, I think people get a tad overdramatic about any changes. I am very glad the show is different from the books, otherwise I would not need to watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBadboy Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The fact that Jon knows Bran is alive has already fucked up the Stannis/Jon scenes. D&D are retarded if they managed to screw that up somehow... He still refuses the offer inspite of all the glory that comes with it. Because just like Stannis he may be a tad bit honorable and refuses because he can't betray his brother like that. Just like Robert - Stannis. Duty! In fact it enhances Jon - Stannis dynamics making him Respect Jon more seeing how he refuses glory for duty. But then again Stannis fans just cry out about everything and anything that is happening. -_- So can't argue with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybobbie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I must be the only person who thought Ghost being captured was RIDICULOUS!!!!!! LOL, and the depraved Craster's rapist mutineers are going to keep the direwolf alive? WTF. No you're not alone that bothered me too. Why they would keep Ghost alive and how they managed to capture it and also, that cage, at least IMO, was not good enough to hold a direwolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadco26 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 It's hard to say how much it will change things going forward, you just have to wonder what the benefit of the change was? It is also pretty lame to not have Sam and Jon's initial conversation about Bran being alive on screen, when you are now inventing new scenes to give Jon something to do. Of course Jon knowing about Bran, not ultimately changing much, wouldn't be the first time the show changed something and then preceeded as if the change didn't matter or didn't even happen. I find it more ridiculous that the mutineers were able to capture Ghost, and then after capturing him decided to keep him alive... for what purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 No you're not alone that bothered me too. Why they would keep Ghost alive and how they managed to capture it and also, that cage, at least IMO, was not good enough to hold a direwolf. They set snares. The show even showed it. Summer was captured too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starksmustwin Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 You guys really blow everything out of proportion. if Bran tells Jon that he has a mission and that no one can know that he's alive, then nothing really changes. Jon then can't tell Stannis or anyone else about Bran. And we already know that he doesn't accept Winterfell. Why is adding bran to his decision making a bad thing? Seriously, even if they meet, hug, etc, it won't change anything as long as Bran explains to Jon that the world must believe him dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBadboy Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 It's hard to say how much it will change things going forward, you just have to wonder what the benefit of the change was? It is also pretty lame to not have Sam and Jon's initial conversation about Bran being alive on screen, when you are now inventing new scenes to give Jon something to do. Of course Jon knowing about Bran, not ultimately changing much, wouldn't be the first time the show changed something and then preceeded as if the change didn't matter or didn't even happen. I find it more ridiculous that the mutineers were able to capture Ghost, and then after capturing him decided to keep him alive... for what purpose?Give it some time. Remember when Sam didn't make the promise and yet we thought how can Sam not tell Jon about Bran. Turns out he had already told. They will definitely show why Karl has kept Ghost alive. Maybe as a Gaurd dog or something. You just can't expect them to tell you everything in one episode. -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 You guys really blow everything out of proportion. if Bran tells Jon that he has a mission and that no one can know that he's alive, then nothing really changes. Jon then can't tell Stannis or anyone else about Bran. And we already know that he doesn't except Winterfell. Why is adding bran to his decision making a bad thing? Seriously, even if they meet, hug, etc, it won't change anything as long as Bran explains to Jon that the world must believe him dead. Because there would never be any "decision" in the first place, Jon would never be tempted to usurp his brother's birthright, he would never struggle with the decision of whether or not he should steal winterfell from Bran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Taxman Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 He still refuses the offer inspite of all the glory that comes with it. Because just like Stannis he may be a tad bit honorable and refuses because he can't betray his brother like that. Just like Robert - Stannis. Duty!In fact it enhances Jon - Stannis dynamics making him Respect Jon more seeing how he refuses glory for duty.But then again Stannis fans just cry out about everything and anything that is happening. -_- So can't argue with them Why would Stannis respect Jon more? Bran is still alive. He would respect Jon more if Jon declined with the precedent that Bran and Rickon are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W1NT3RF3LL Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 What if the reeds meet jon? Will they hint to the targ heritage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gogossos Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Even in the books, Jon's escape from the wildlings was aided by Summer and in ADWD, in Jon's wolf dream Ghost senses that Summer is north of the Wall. Jon has always known that Bran is alive and kept that secret secret, for good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Because there would never be any "decision" in the first place, Jon would never be tempted to usurp his brother's birthright, he would never struggle with the decision of whether or not he should steal winterfell from Bran. That would be a good thing IMO. The whole thing as described in the books wasn't a real tempation at all. Even Jon the doofus should've known nobody in the north would back his claim if he had gotten out of the NW by claiming that the Old Gods didn't exist and then burning the Winterfell weirwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBadboy Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Why would Stannis respect Jon more? Bran is still alive. He would respect Jon more if Jon declined with the precedent that Bran and Rickon are dead. Because Stannis did his duty in his older brother's rule. And took what he gave because it was his duty!Jon has a chance to glory but being honorable as he knows the true born Starks are alive and bound by his duty he refuses.Simple and powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starksmustwin Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Because there would never be any "decision" in the first place, Jon would never be tempted to usurp his brother's birthright, he would never struggle with the decision of whether or not he should steal winterfell from Bran. What's the difference in Bran and Sansa? He'd have been usurping regardless if he had accepted. Plus, he believes that Arya is still alive as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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