~DarkHorse~ Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The 'almost Stark reunions' are basically the writers dangling a string and going "here kitty, kitty!" only to pull the string away at the last minute. The kitty (watchers) enjoys being toyed with at first but soon it becomes too much and they get pissed. Over doing the 'almost Stark reunions' will have the same effect. We all long for a Stark reunion, book readers can sacrifice this for the development of the story but show only watchers (unsullied) will see this as pointless and get frustrated. Lets look at the history of 'almost Stark reunions' so far- Robb/Jon (season 1)- I hadn't read the books at this point and was pretty excited when I though Jon was going to meet up with Robb and was curious to how this would play out especially with dodging the whole 'cutting off your brothers head for deserting' thing. Part of me was really annoyed when Jon retuned to the NW...however, after reading the books and seeing how his story developed I can appreciate this now. Although, there is still a part of me that wonders how Jon being with Robb would have worked out.Arya/Robb/Catelyn- This added to the tragedy and drama of the RW so this was good. Also, it was better for Arya not to reunite with them.Jon/Bran (season 3)- This was frustrating as they were sooo close and then they go their separate ways....again.Season 4 also has the lingering idea that Arya/Sansa/Hound will reunite at the Errie. My unsullied friend already thinks the Hound will become Arya and Sansa's protector as they take back the North.....we all know how this one ends. :crying: Basically, I don't think a brief Stark reunion is a bad idea. Having a near miss again is though. Especially repeating the Jon/Bran one. How a Jon/Bran interaction at Crasters could work- Jon helps Bran escape, not having anytime to talk amongst the chaos, he just wants his little brother and friends out of the 'danger zone.' However, Bran and companions do get away but continue North much to Jon's dismay (who was too distracted to do anything other than make sure they got away from the mutineers). At this point Jon registers Bran as 'missing' and most likely dead, blaming himself for not stopping him when he had the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allison of Tarth Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 It changes the scene as you know it. The scene hasn't even happened yet and you're already devastated. This, precicely. I think the Jon Stark subplot can still work. If Stannis legitimizes Jon, then he is ahead of Bran and Rickon in the line of succession in any case. The temptation will still be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBadboy Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Stannis and Jaime.Please kill them next book Martin because those are the ones that are creating the most noise. Ohh Stannis won't do this. Damn they ruined Jaime. Shit what was scene with Jaime for? Ohh I hate Tv Stannis! Damn stop being such tight ass purists And I always thought Dany had irritating most irritating fantasy, but I guess I was wrongAnd I really like Stannis and Jaime. I hate to see them butchered by fans rather than creators of show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankbuster Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Oh yes, it is the character's fault that the showrunners have made them into such drab mockeries of themselves, better kill them quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalia Borgia Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I don't have HBO so I rely on the HBO behind the scenes and the recaps here. So Sam told Jon Bran is alive and skipping along the yellow brick road beyond the wall... AS soon as I saw show Stannis I was convinced D and D must hate him. He won't be nice to bastard Snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 This reminds me of how they changed Jon's motives for "joining" the wildlings in season two. The show handled it better than the books so I have faith in this change as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 It's not a huge thing, but it was kind of a defining moment for him...he is offered what he has secretly wanted all of his life...yet he rejects it in the end. I must be the only person who thought Ghost being captured was RIDICULOUS!!!!!! LOL, and the depraved Craster's rapist mutineers are going to keep the direwolf alive? WTF. Yes I know, and in terms of characterisation it's a defining moment for Jon, but what I meant is that they're not really following book!canon characterisation anyway. After they turned Jaime into a rapist I've finally given up on expecting the show to stick to the way the characters are in the books... Obviously that's not going to stop me from complaining about it, but in terms of storyline it remains unchanged if Jon is never offered Winterfell. Btw, IIRC in the books doesn't he also refuse because of Sansa? I'm unsure about this, but I vaguely remember something about it... I also thought Ghost being captured was laughable, I was thinking wtf while watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Don't know if anybody has mentioned this before, but part of the butterfly effect comes from the fact that the show only has Bran as the warg and not the others, yet. In ADWD, Jon knows through Ghost that both Summer and Shaggydog are still alive, so he would have at least a good reason to suspect that Bran and Rickon are alive as well. We don't really see Jon thinking much about this while considering Stannis's proposal, though. It would have been nice if the show would have shown Jon's warging abilities, too, and have him discover Bran through Ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piles Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think it's much more interesting to think of Jon meeting the Reeds than Jon meeting Bran. The implications or hints that this might hold for R+L are full of intrigue. I didn't dislike the change too much, it creates some mild peril for Bran which this season needs - lengthy descriptions about how cold and hungry he is wouldn't have translated well to screen. I am unsure if the NW will make Craster's before they leave; it seems like a bit of a re-tread of the watchtower where Bran wargs Hodor if they don't meet and just miss each other again. I imagine they must be planning some sort of meeting, otherwise it's just a bit redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Stannis asks Jon because he wants to give WF to a Stark (and he needs one).Why wouldnt Jon now not tell Stannis Rickon might still be alive?People neglet Jon Snow becomes an active Stannis supporter, either you like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightStark Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Stannis asks Jon because he wants to give WF to a Stark (and he needs one).Why wouldnt Jon now not tell Stannis Rickon might still be alive?People neglet Jon Snow becomes an active Stannis supporter, either you like it or not. He probably will tell him, cuts out the whole Wex Pyke thing, Stannis can just send Davos to pick him up. Saves time introducing the Manderlys..Davos being 'killed' etc.. they can be brought in some other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 He probably will tell him, cuts out the whole Wex Pyke thing, Stannis can just send Davos to pick him up. Saves time introducing the Manderlys..Davos being 'killed' etc.. they can be brought in some other way.I highly guess we wont have a Farya. Boltons will find Rickon, and Stannis will need to get him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I highly guess we wont have a Farya. Boltons will find Rickon, and Stannis will need to get him back. I would think we will get fake Arya, otherwise all the stuff that happens with Theon at Winterfell won't happen and then there is nothing for Theon to do....also the Winterfell stuff begins to set up the Bolton's fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'96Buck Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I suspect the Bran/Jon thing will be pretty much a relocation of Queenscrown...Summer saves Jon, but Jon never sees Bran. If it's not this, then their conversation awakens Jon's warg powers, and then Bran goes on to do what he must. If they need Bran to abdicate title to Winterfell, he certainly can. Some are seeing this as an obstacle. Of course, if we hold King Robb's presumed declaration of legitimacy to have legal force, then it's unnecessary. While it certainly "feels" like pieces are in the wrong place right now, it's not hard to see them getting back where they belong. Perhaps Jon's victory at Craster's gives him the bona fides that bookJon gets from Holding the Wall. I'm not sure rooting out some turncoats has quite the same cachet, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Stannis asks Jon because he wants to give WF to a Stark (and he needs one).Why wouldnt Jon now not tell Stannis Rickon might still be alive?People neglet Jon Snow becomes an active Stannis supporter, either you like it or not. Because Bran asks him to not tell anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'96Buck Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Why wouldnt Jon now not tell Stannis Rickon might still be alive? King's blood. Rickon is of no use to Stannis as Lord of Winterfell, he's a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 This episode did lay the foundations for a possible Bran/Jon interaction- Karl (mutineer leader) being aware Bran is Jon Snows little brother.The line drop from Jon about Bran being alive and North of the Wall. Surely, that holds some relevance?It looks like things are being set up for the mutineers to use Bran against Jon. :dunno: Add assassin wannabe Locke into the mix and 2 gigantic caged wolves and we have some chaos in store. I haven't anticipated seeing a GoT scene this much in awhile...well, since the Purple wedding...But this sounds really good and for once the North storyline is taking the spotlight. I don't get what all the fuss is about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'96Buck Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 It appeared that Summer fell into a pit trap, no? Not sure why the same couldn't have happened to Ghost. People have captured bears and tigers with pits for centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBadboy Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 It appeared that Summer fell into a pit trap, no? Not sure why the same couldn't have happened to Ghost. People have captured bears and tigers with pits for centuries.Exactly. Captured it in a pit trap. I don't see the fuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Exactly. Captured it in a pit trap.I don't see the fuss why are they keeping a direwolf alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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