Dru Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The Stonehenge like arrangement of the ice reminded me of the stones at the execution site in the first episode where Ned decapitates the deserter. The Night's King was most likely a Stark too...very interesting. Looked like the Land of Always Winter, and there seemed to be some sort of castles or towers in the background on that big mountain. As a book reader who read first read the series in 2005, I don't mind these reveals. It's about damn time for the story to move forward. This. Great to get answers and that scene was amazing. Good eye on the Ice/Stone circle too. I am in the belief that Starks have "Other" blood in their veins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta_Greyjoy Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Do you think it is possible that Craster's sacrifices are the reason that the Others are returning after 1000 years or whatever time frame the Others have been gone? They found fresh sacrifices that allowed them to regenerate their numbers and wreak havoc after a long dormancy? I would imagine the babies have to be a)offered, because the old gods are sticklers for tradition b)of a certain blood line otherwise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Check the synopsis, its above the Jaime Lannister quote You wouldnt believe how needlessly tricky it was for me to get this. But i have a thing for people like me who were questioning this Night's King business. Seriously, the viewer's guide runs like SHIT on my laptop and kinda meh on my phone. HBO should just make it an app gods. Here. Also love that Avatar. I dont think Coldhands is involved, you guys. I do think however, that we are dealing with some mega shit here. Can we get a screencap of the supposed 13 dudes in the scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 You know what would be insanely awesome? If one those WW arrives at Craster's and kills Burn Gorman and the rest, and then identifies himself as Coldhands I do think the WW are going to kill and eat some of those assholes. After all, cannibalism as a punishment of breaking the guest right is kind of a theme in the books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrion Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Could it be possible that this isnt THE Nights King from the story who was a Stark, but rather whoever is the leader of the White Walkers/Others is called the Nights King? Or hes a reincarnation of the Nights King, kind of like the modern Azor Ahai is the reincarnation of Azor Ahai/Last Hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Was riding a decaying horse. If you pause it and look at his image his clothes look pretty similar to the armor/ vest/ jerkin thing all the Nights Watch guys wear in the show. FFS, stop with the Coldhands thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oberyn2cool4Westeros Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Yeah, I dunno why people assume that dude was Coldhands either. I guess anything's possible at this point, but I really hope it's not. The Elk made him stand out - that was something unique. A dead horse? Lame. Plus, he wasn't covered at all. What's the point of Coldhands hiding his appearance if he's just another Other. Seems rather pointless to me. Bran's seen enough crazy shit... I highly doubt meeting a good/neutral Other would throw him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson24 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 We've known that they can turn adults since the prologue. When Ser Waymar is changed into a wight and strangles young Will. Also we see that some of the mutineers are turned. The two who attack Mormont. And even in the Varamyr prologue chapter.Turning a child, if it is truly book canon, means that the wights aren't just mindless zombies sometimes. Perhaps they can even age. We know the Others can turn humans and animals. And possibly even control the weather. Some theorize that they built The Wall to keep the men away. So them being able to 'convert' a baby into an adult Other is not out of question (especially after tonight's episode).The distinction is whether or not the child was being turned into a Wight or an Other. I think most are assuming he was turned into an Other, which we have NOT seen to this point. Waymar was killed and then brought back as a Wight, not changed into an Other (considering the Others are presumably an entirely different race/group of beings entirely). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm_Tim Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Someone from an Unsullied board just asked if the spikes in Ice Darth Maul's head are meant to be a crown :eek: More fuel for the Night's King!I thought the idea that it was a crown was obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson24 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The Stonehenge like arrangement of the ice reminded me of the stones at the execution site in the first episode where Ned decapitates the deserter. The Night's King was most likely a Stark too...very interesting. Looked like the Land of Always Winter, and there seemed to be some sort of castles or towers in the background on that big mountain. As a book reader who read first read the series in 2005, I don't mind these reveals. It's about damn time for the story to move forward. +1. At first I was sort of taken aback by what I was seeing but now I'm just excited at all the possibilities and connections that this offers for everyone to discuss now. Righteous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kinkslayer Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I don't remember many of the specifics from the book on the topic, but... was the number 13 significant in any of the Others stuff? There were 13 "people" in total, counting Darth Other (and not counting the guy who brought the kid). The night's king was the 13th lord commander of the night watch, the last hero had 12 companions, maybe he's frozen Jesus :dunno: Perhaps the reason we have not met Coldhands in the show is because Coldhands is the Night's King in the books? And if the Other we see in the last scene is the Nights King then he must be Coldhands as well? I see coldhands as an oathbreaker of the frozen brotherhood, no way he'd appear in an episode titled oathkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger in the dark Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 A few things, it is ok to say that this is an adaptation of a series not a book but if the Other Revelation was in fact taken from unreleased material then shame on HBO and D & D. I also think for tv fans this has cheapened any reveal. There hasn't been much talk about crasters babies or giving to the others since season 2 so why do this now. In the books there are a lot of clues given that have then been debated on the forums like the debates happening over who the hell this guy is, the night king, the great other. I did just watch Inside episode 4 on youtube http://youtu.be/Zz5K_j4TRMs?t=4m56s and D&D admit that they sourced this scene not from the books but a suggestion by the books. I think debate who these others are is now pointless because when a reveal is made by George in the future the show may need to somehow adapt again because of its error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I thought the idea that it was a crown was obvious. Guess so. I was too busy wondering how Loki's real dad ended up in Westeros to realize that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 The Night's King was an LC of the Night's Watch at one point, right?Craster was a bastard from a NW brother and a wildling yes? Craster's boys are the ones being offered. The girls call them "gift for the gods."Night's King Other takes the baby and Other-fies him. What if hes trying to create his own twisted version of the Night's Watch? I dunno. Guess so. I was too busy wondering how Loki's real dad ended up in Westeros to realize thatLOL! Night's King is really Laufey. brb getting Laufey avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averde Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 FFS, stop with the Coldhands thing. I've never even mentioned Coldhands before in a show thread ever? I was just pointing out the guy on the horse seemed to be wearing what looked like the same armor the Nights Watch wear and since he's also riding around on a mount and was just near Bran and Crasters I don't think it was out of place at all to mention that this could potentially be Coldhands. But thank you for the rude response with no sort of point or evidence to back up what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The Night's King was an LC of the Night's Watch at one point, right? Craster was a bastard from a NW brother and a wildling yes? Craster's boys are the ones being offered. The girls call them "gift for the gods." Night's King Other takes the baby and Other-fies him. What if hes trying to create his own twisted version of the Night's Watch? I dunno. They did seem to be wearing black in that one shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabronius Maximus Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 One thing I don't get, wasn't the NK eventually killed by his brother and Joramun? It's kind of weird to see him sticking around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson24 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Can't possibly see why people would think the Other at the end that HBO has described as the Night's King would also be Coldhands. By all accounts Coldhands looked like a dead human, not some otherworldly being. His skin was black with congealed/frozen blood but he was distinctly human. The only thing initially suspicious about his appearance was his cold, corpse-like hands when he reached out to put Sam and Gilly on the elk, hence the name. By that point Sam had already seen and killed an Other. Don't you think he would've recongized another one if he saw it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The distinction is whether or not the child was being turned into a Wight or an Other. I think most are assuming he was turned into an Other, which we have NOT seen to this point. Waymar was killed and then brought back as a Wight, not changed into an Other (considering the Others are presumably an entirely different race/group of beings entirely). I think lots of people get the wights and Others confused so it's good to debate this distinction. Wights are just reanimated corpses - they are not living in any way and like zombies, seem to be fairly mindless minions who retain only enough of their living memories to know where to go to kill living people (this was mentioned in the books if I recall). Whatever this was we just saw... that was no ordinary 'wight' reanimation - which seems to happen automatically after WW/Others kill living humans... There was also the ceremonial theme to it ...altar, special location, others lined up (13) - all very symbolic. There's no way that was just a baby being turned into a Wight... that was a baby being turned into an Other - which apparently can only be done to certain living humans under special circumstances...otherwise they'd have long ago just converted all the wildlings into Others. There's some forbidden magic involved here that we're being revealed for the first time. Epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Sabotage Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I can get behind the "brother" idea. They looked to wearing the exact same armor. Nothing, truly spoiled if we think about it. We have all, long suspected....hell, knew there was crazy shit going down up there. I'm glad it was added to the show at this point. The writing has, long been on the wall; that show is going to pass the books. We just got a big taste of it. I like the idea but that would imply more and more ice-folks up there north and I don't find it likely to happen. ASOIAF is based on symmetrical opposition, the Others being in opposition with the dragons. I can't see them protecting a land and its people. Unless the Others were the "watchers on the Wall" watching the CoF's land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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