Envie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The whole Craster's sons thing has me really wondering .... what happens to them once they are Others? Obviously they aren't a 'baby' anymore - so do they 'grow up' somehow instantly? All of those figures behind the head honcho were full grown man sized beings. Craster's sons would be of all different ages over the years from babies to young adults. Not that it really matters, but the magic of the Great Other must age them up somehow too. I really appreciated someone from Reddit quoted the book. It's not really that much of a spoiler now - because we're reminded that the women in Craster's keep KNEW about the sons and the brothers coming for the babies and they knew they were the Others too. The only spoiler is WHO is the horned Other "Night's King" and what is his significance? It really actually only creates more questions then it does spoilery answers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrion Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The Great Other exists just as much as Rhillor exists, meaning we have no clue. I think George is too much of an agnostic to include gods in the story, especially considering it seems to be like our world where cultures just breed and create gods to explain situations in the world that they cant know(like magic). Usually in stories with gods, there is one god tale that is true, theres no dispute, everyone seems to know about creation myths and all that. This story theres way too many gods for anyone to definitely be true. Kind of like our world heheh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Talk in the street says it's the Night's King, apparently (the horns being the crown). I wonder if the show will have both the NK and the Great Other, or if they're going to make them into one character Melisandre mentions the Great Other to Shireen last episode i believe. But she doesnt call him the Great Other. She calls him a god of darkness. So i dunno. I think NK is supposed to be a form of the Great Other. At least metaphorically. To get some consensus, can we start referring to horse guy with Benjen hairstyle as Babyhands? :v lol Perhaps those Others were performing a test on the child. Maybe there's a particular child from Craster's line who is of interest to them. Maybe it's that little Craster baby at the wall? Nah, i think its just Craster's kids they want cuz Craster cut a deal with them somehow. Gilly's baby escaped being a 'gift for the gods' and poor Shards was the casualty. Sam shanked his ass. (rip in peace, Shards) Oh so Benjen had a ponytail ? Is that White Walker Benjen then ? Oh please, gods no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Moff Mithrandir Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 This was a very strange scene, not the kind of scene I ever expected to see at this stage.So these frost giants, who reside at minas morgul, have a Stonehenge-like structure where they carry out their conversions. Hmmm interesting...but I'm not sure where this is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think George is too much of an agnostic to include gods in the story, especially considering it seems to be like our world where cultures just breed and create gods to explain situations in the world that they cant know(like magic). I think when people say they are agnostic/atheist they tend to deny to idea of the omnipotent being or the first cause of everything. The typical fantasy god is more like a creature that are more advanced than humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Sabotage Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Oh so Benjen had a ponytail ? Is that White Walker Benjen then ? Benjen being CH was ruled out earlier for inconsistency with CH's lines in ADWD but that doesn't mean Benjen isn't Coldhands. The plot cruelly lacks satisfying explanations as to Benjen's whereabouts and references to CH's age could just be deliberate misleading so Bran wouldn't recognise him. The ponytail is kind of puzzling. This must be deliberate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseHarrison Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Bran on the Night's King: Some say he was a Bolton," Old Nan would always end. "Some say a Magnar out of Skagos, some say Umber, Flint, or Norrey. Some would have you think he was a Woodfoot, from them who ruled Bear island before the ironmen came. He never was. He was a Stark, the brother of the man who brought him down." She always pinched Bran on the nose then, he would never forget it. "He was a Stark of Winterfell, and who can say? Mayhaps his name was Brandon. Mayhaps he slept in this very bed in this very room." A Storm of Swords, Chapter 52 Starks = descendants of WW's seems pretty strong now. Maybe "Winter is Coming" in fact refers to their rebirth as Others? Or the return of their lineage over all of Westeros? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think when people say they are agnostic/atheist they tend to deny to idea of the omnipotent being or the first cause of everything. The typical fantasy god is more like a creature that are more advanced than humans. You do realize agnostic and atheist are two different things right? Agnostic means you do not acknowledge any one single God and instead are open to the idea there could possibly be other explanations or existence. One who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God. I think it is the open minded agnostic who can imagine the most amazing fantasy of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheswamp Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 In one of Jon's chapters, Craster's father's name was said to sound similar to Stark. I wonder if Craster's father may have come from a Stark-branch family. Perhaps, the Others specifically want Craster's sons because they have Stark blood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Totoro Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Wasn't this WW the same on Season 2's finale? The one that looks at Sam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordToo-Fat-to-Sit-a-Horse Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Melisandre mentions the Great Other to Shireen last episode i believe. But she doesnt call him the Great Other. She calls him a god of darkness. So i dunno. I think NK is supposed to be a form of the Great Other. At least metaphorically. He is the GO´s instrument... just like Stannis is Rhllor´s (according to Melisandre) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Olenna Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 We learned that The Others really ARE supernatural otherworldly superhuman beings because they know how to make a baby actually stop crying. Godlike Power. :)I wonder what their hourly rate is?Coulda really used one about 3 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Moff Mithrandir Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The one on the horse yes, but not the one that necro'd the baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Can somebody explain the final scene to me ? When the WW rode to the alter it was all dark. And then we go a shot of the alter where it is alot brighter with the 14 WW. It that alter like some portal or something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon of Valyria Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Anybody consider that the show was just making stuff up and is dead wrong? It wouldn't be the first time. We don't know how detailed the stuff D&D have, but like -- it strikes me as exceedingly improbable that the Others are created from humans. They always struck me as their own thing, and the stories about Craster just seemed to be stories. It doesn't make much sense for the Others to invade if their source is living, breathing humans. Why would they invade themselves into extinction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabronius Maximus Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Kind of on-topic, but did anyone find that whole LoAW area very familiar, I don't know...like Minas Morgul from LotR? And that dude riding on the dead horse...the mouth of Sauron some random Other? Also I find it interesting how GRRM has avoided having any Stark interact with the Others. Jon and Bran are just oh so close but never face one. And the one Stark who may have faced them...is never heard from again. God dammit GRRM, come on I want to see this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Sabotage Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Wasn't this WW the same on Season 2's finale? The one that looks at Sam? I don't think so. My parents borrowed my DVDs but I'm pretty sure the S02 one had straight hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Totoro Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Anybody consider that the show was just making stuff up and is dead wrong? They do have GRR one phone call away. They may not be perfect, but they are not going to screw up something this big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Can somebody explain the final scene to me ? When the WW rode to the alter it was all dark. And then we go a shot of the alter where it is alot brighter with the 14 WW. It that alter like some portal or something ? I don't think it was a portal. They lit up the final scene so you could get a good clear look at the Night's King and the baby being turned. Who knows where they are but everyone seems to think it's the legendary land that is always winter. I think whatever it was and wherever they were, it was an epic reveal about the future of the story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Sabotage Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Anybody consider that the show was just making stuff up and is dead wrong? It wouldn't be the first time. We don't know how detailed the stuff D&D have, but like -- it strikes me as exceedingly improbable that the Others are created from humans. They always struck me as their own thing, and the stories about Craster just seemed to be stories. It doesn't make much sense for the Others to invade if their source is living, breathing humans. Why would they invade themselves into extinction? Well. We have yet to see any "White walker" or "Other" on screen, if we assume everything we saw until now was just wights. There's that long-haired dude who doesn't look like a wight, but maybe the zombish ones who attack Castle Black were just "fresh" wights. So the Others would be the 14 dudes we saw tonight and everything else being human-based wights, that would still qualify as making sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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