[Book spoilers] About Jon and Locke

[darksellsword]

It would be so funny if Locke is cold hands it would blow everyones mind , he tries to go after Bran to kill him dies himself comes back

as cold hands.

[Pomaxxx]

to me the appearance of Locke at the Wall was a real let down because that just mixes the story arcs up too much.

Jon going for Crasters makes some sense in a way, him missing Bran closely...whatever.

but getting Boltons interests of eliminating the Stark boys in here at that point i dislike.

IF Locke will be the one to stab Jon (which i doubt, cuz Locke should die at Crasters or shortly thereafter), thats so killing the meaning of the stabbing and i will be a sad panda.

[dbunting]

I think they still need to keep it as a brother who does the stabbing. And now that Pyp has been mentioned, he seems a likely candidate. If he or even Grenn did it while saying, for the watch, then it would actually be an emotional scene way more than if Locke did it.

[Envie]

It would be so funny if Locke is cold hands it would blow everyones mind , he tries to go after Bran to kill him dies himself comes back

as cold hands.

Jeebus cripes why does coldhands have to creep into every single debate on this forum? *facepalm*

I really liked Coldhands from the books, but now I'm starting to hate him just because so many people seem overly obsessed with him here. LOL. :bang:

[Kasrith]

Don't know if anyone pointed this out yet but I am thinking that Locke will be the person to stab Jon when the time comes. What you think?

I didn't think he'd be there that long. My guess is he goes on a bit of an adventure with Jon, if he lives past Craster's, then he could find his way back to the Fort to give Roose an update

[darksellsword]

Jeebus cripes why does coldhands have to creep into every single debate on this forum? *facepalm*

I really liked Coldhands from the books, but now I'm starting to hate him just because so many people seem overly obsessed with him here. LOL. :bang:

hahaaha . That was the first time I've mentioned coldhands but yeah I know what you mean. I just think it would be a good twist, well one that I would prefer more than Locke being involved in stabbing Jon. I don't see them changing the story just to have Locke killed at crasters or during the Wildling attack it would be pointless.

[Envie]

hahaaha . That was the first time I've mentioned coldhands but yeah I know what you mean. I just think it would be a good twist, well one that I would prefer more than Locke being involved in stabbing Jon. I don't see them changing the story just to have Locke killed at crasters or during the Wildling attack it would be pointless.

Ok, so the frustration is not at you specifically but rather the overall obsession about Coldhands and all the crackpot theories as to his connection with established characters and the Others and where he's going to appear in the show (which doesn't look like he will at all). I guess you could say I'm a little tired of it haha!

Also, they seem to have made Locke into a much more important character (since obviously he's not Vargo Hoat who cut Jaime's hand off in the book) so it does stand to reason he has a bigger part to play in the television version of the story. What that is, I have no idea.

Perhaps as some have suggested, he'll fight with Jon until a certain point (after it's obvious he can't get his hands on Bran or Rickon) and then desert and head back to let the Boltons know about the Others and Wildlings. Both of those things are going to be really important for the northerners on both sides of the political fence to know about not just at the wall or with Stannis.

I suspect Locke's main purpose (since his character is entirely changed) is to be an informant and communications tool to tie together some of the various plot lines ...bringing each of them a step closer to the main threat happening north of the wall.

I doubt he's going to be the one to stab Jon later. As others have already stated... the fact Jon was betrayed by his own men (much like Mormont was) is important to the story and his character. Having Locke do it would diminish the seriousness.

[Hard Hugh]

It would be so funny if Locke is cold hands it would blow everyones mind , he tries to go after Bran to kill him dies himself comes back

as cold hands.

This is my thought too. He follows the Kids as they escape North...somehow ends up dead...maybe in the battle with the Mutineers then ends up a Wright who is Coldhands

[Envie]

This is my thought too. He follows the Kids as they escape North...somehow ends up dead...maybe in the battle with the Mutineers then ends up a Wright who is Coldhands

This makes no sense! Wights are raised from the dead and basically zombies whose only thought process is to kill. They do what the White Walkers bid them to do, they don't think for themselves or interact with people! And even further, why on earth would Locke, who has been sent north to seek out the missing Bran and Rickon then turn around to become Coldhands (who btw already told them in the books he's been around for a very very long time)?? Coldhands helps Bran and crew get to Bloodraven, he doesn't want them dead!

Baffled

Edit: Good grief, between this thread, the Others revelation thread and the Bran and Crew thread, there's so many bizarre crackpot theories about Coldhands we might as well consider Cersei next in line to be morphed into Coldhands! :ack:

[briantw]

This makes no sense! Wights are raised from the dead and basically zombies whose only thought process is to kill. They do what the White Walkers bid them to do, they don't think for themselves or interact with people! And even further, why on earth would Locke, who has been sent north to seek out the missing Bran and Rickon then turn around to become Coldhands (who btw already told them in the books he's been around for a very very long time)?? Coldhands helps Bran and crew get to Bloodraven, he doesn't want them dead!

Baffled.

Because maybe Coldhands doesn't really matter, and is just some random wight that Bloodraven warged?

[Envie]

Because maybe Coldhands doesn't really matter, and is just some random wight that Bloodraven warged?

Ok so that's actually a theory that makes sense - but to make Locke, Karl, Craster, Hodor and half a dozen other characters suddenly be the 'host' for Coldhands is still just silly. :P

[Hard Hugh]

This makes no sense! Wights are raised from the dead and basically zombies whose only thought process is to kill. They do what the White Walkers bid them to do, they don't think for themselves or interact with people! And even further, why on earth would Locke, who has been sent north to seek out the missing Bran and Rickon then turn around to become Coldhands (who btw already told them in the books he's been around for a very very long time)?? Coldhands helps Bran and crew get to Bloodraven, he doesn't want them dead!

Baffled

Edit: Good grief, between this thread, the Others revelation thread and the Bran and Crew thread, there's so many bizarre crackpot theories about Coldhands we might as well consider Cersei next in line to be morphed into Coldhands!

Because he is unlike the other Wrights and controlled by BloodRaven.

[Hard Hugh]

Because maybe Coldhands doesn't really matter, and is just some random wight that Bloodraven warged?

Exactly but he is a familiar character and one less actor

[briantw]

Ok so that's actually a theory that makes sense - but to make Locke, Karl, Craster, Hodor and half a dozen other characters suddenly be the 'host' for Coldhands is still just silly. :P

Yeah, I agree with that. I don't think he's going to be in the show at all, and it doesn't really bother me all that much. I just feel that, if they were going to put him in, they should have done it to start the season, or midway through last season. Throwing him in midway through this one when he may cease to be of any consequence by the end of the season just seems pointless.

And if he is in the show, I think it's still safe to assume he's not terribly important in the books, because they haven't cast anyone significant to play him that we've heard about, and he's not really the type of casting that needs to be kept secret.

[Envie]

Yeah, I agree with that. I don't think he's going to be in the show at all, and it doesn't really bother me all that much. I just feel that, if they were going to put him in, they should have done it to start the season, or midway through last season. Throwing him in midway through this one when he may cease to be of any consequence by the end of the season just seems pointless.

And if he is in the show, I think it's still safe to assume he's not terribly important in the books, because they haven't cast anyone significant to play him that we've heard about, and he's not really the type of casting that needs to be kept secret.

Well for as much grief as I'm giving other posters with their crackpot theories on who Coldhands is, I will admit I'm slightly disappointed to find out he may not be a major player in the final story / outcome. I really thought he was some sort of link between the Others, Bloodraven and the magic of the north that would be revealed to us towards the end. Unless they are intending to save Coldhands for much later or as a cameo appearance only right before Bran gets to Bloodraven, I don't really see why they'd put him in at this point either.

My original hope had been that he was Benjen Stark (since we never did find out what happened to him) and that he was there to help the Stark children however he could.

I've gone and derailed the topic however, sorry!

No way in hell is Locke going to 'become' Coldhands or anyone else for that matter. Now who or what Locke does become (reformed ally or hidden spy) remains to be seen. I personally think he's a communication tool for the Boltons. He won't get Bran or Rickon obviously so they'll have him desert and run back to Roose as soon as he sees just how many wildlings there really are out there - or if he sees an Other.

[Hard Hugh]

Well for as much grief as I'm giving other posters with their crackpot theories on who Coldhands is, I will admit I'm slightly disappointed to find out he may not be a major player in the final story / outcome. I really thought he was some sort of link between the Others, Bloodraven and the magic of the north that would be revealed to us towards the end. Unless they are intending to save Coldhands for much later or as a cameo appearance only right before Bran gets to Bloodraven, I don't really see why they'd put him in at this point either.

My original hope had been that he was Benjen Stark (since we never did find out what happened to him) and that he was there to help the Stark children however he could.

I've gone and derailed the topic however, sorry!

No way in hell is Locke going to 'become' Coldhands or anyone else for that matter. Now who or what Locke does become (reformed ally or hidden spy) remains to be seen. I personally think he's a communication tool for the Boltons. He won't get Bran or Rickon obviously so they'll have him desert and run back to Roose as soon as he sees just how many wildlings there really are out there - or if he sees an Other.

Could be. i admit the Coldhands thing is crackpot I did say that :)

I also think that Jon making a true ally of him could make for a really interesting story. Maybe he even gets his character blended together a bit with Satin and The Archer to help Jon converting the Wildlings.

I do talk to Unsullied show watchers that do have a realyl tough time keeping up with so many smaller characters. Maybe blending several small stories and parts into 1 character isnt so bad.

[darksellsword]

Well for as much grief as I'm giving other posters with their crackpot theories on who Coldhands is, I will admit I'm slightly disappointed to find out he may not be a major player in the final story / outcome. I really thought he was some sort of link between the Others, Bloodraven and the magic of the north that would be revealed to us towards the end. Unless they are intending to save Coldhands for much later or as a cameo appearance only right before Bran gets to Bloodraven, I don't really see why they'd put him in at this point either.

My original hope had been that he was Benjen Stark (since we never did find out what happened to him) and that he was there to help the Stark children however he could.

I've gone and derailed the topic however, sorry!

No way in hell is Locke going to 'become' Coldhands or anyone else for that matter. Now who or what Locke does become (reformed ally or hidden spy) remains to be seen. I personally think he's a communication tool for the Boltons. He won't get Bran or Rickon obviously so they'll have him desert and run back to Roose as soon as he sees just how many wildlings there really are out there - or if he sees an Other.

He's not going to act as a spy for the boltons mainly because noone gives a shit about what the Boltons know is he going to stay there and report back to Lord Bolton like Mork to orson every week updating him. They deliberately put him with Jon and in reach of Bran for a reason to make a big impact on the story , from the books we know there wouldn't be much point at all in his info being passed to the Boltons its fairly likely that one out of these three senarios comes to pass, He gets randomly killed at some point either at crasters or when the wildlings attack(pointless imo) He becomes one of the conspirators in the stabbing of Jon or the third option he continues his mission to kill Bran and becomes coldhands.

[dbunting]

Talk about crack pot and something that would KILL book purists... Benjen show up at Crasters and have him rescue Bran and get him North! I could hear it now, I knew Benjen was coldhands!!!!!!! LOL....purists would DIE if that happened. I would too, but just to hear reactions would be great.

[Hard Hugh]

Talk about crack pot and something that would KILL book purists... Benjen show up at Crasters and have him rescue Bran and get him North! I could hear it now, I knew Benjen was coldhands!!!!!!! LOL....purists would DIE if that happened. I would too, but just to hear reactions would be great.

Maybe thats the goal. A conspiracy against the book readers for all those Red Wedding reaction videos. The show watchers are getting their Iphone videos in anticipation :)

[D_Richard]

I like the enthusiasm everyone, but Locke was sent to the Wall specifically to see if the remaining Stark boys are there with Jon, and to capture/eliminate them. His "betrayal" or "desertion" once he catches wind of Bran & Co.is a function of his mission.

If he fails and then morphs into a Bowen Marsh character, it remains to be seen.

My guess is he'll come into contact with Bran, it'll be a cat & mouse game or something, and his death will be a payoff during a climactic scene this season or next. Regardless, his time with Jon is limited in my opinion.