Brienne and Jaime - amazing scenes

[hollowcrown]

My favourite part of this episodes aside from the big Others reveal was definitely the Jaime - Brienne scenes.

The actors really bring the characters to life and have believable chemistry and great emotion. The writing in these scenes are top notch and I'm really looking forward to their progression as characters, even though they might not be seeing each other for a long time now.

What did everyone else think of these scenes?

[C.T. Phipps]

I think it would have done better without the sept scene.

[Ser Desmond Wine's Bane]

I think it would have done better without the sept scene.

Yep. If you ignore that scene, then the Jaime/Cersei/Brienne story flows this season.

As one reviewer I saw put it, In Brienne, Jaime has the sister he really should have always had, in many ways.

[Frey Pies]

Honestly, I don't get why some people are saying that it works best without the sept scene. All that scene did was show that Jaime is a lot more grey than expected, and its consequences were easily palpable in the tension between Cersei and Jaime this episode. She calls him "Lord Commander", clearly distancing herself from her brother. Jaime's rape of Cersei was a moment of weakness for him, and he realizes from this (and I hope they address this a little more over time) how bad an influence Cersei is on him.

In the grand scheme of things, Jaime is still on a road to redemption, wanting to improve himself. After last weeks episode, it seems that he has made decisions on what sort of man he wants to be (compare the scenes from before this episode, where he felt out of place in King's Landing, to the scenes in Oathkeeper). This is why he gives the sword to Brienne.

Yeah, that's just my take on it. I think they have handled Jaime quite well this season. And, as for this scene, it became one of my favourites of the show's entire run.

[Theda Baratheon]

^ Ew no, DONT blame rape on the victim. Jaime did it, not cersei.

I loved the jaime and brienne scenes but I find the sept scene so jarring it's going to pollute jaime for me all season and that FUCKS ME OFF because he's one of my favourite characters.

[Tall Tyrion Lannister!]

TBH, I think that the sept stuff was just badly done, and ShowCersei and BookCersei think about it the same. The "Lord Commander" line was about him not killing tyrion when he had the chance. Could be totally wrong though.

[Theda Baratheon]

It *was* done badly, it was done *terribly*

[Beorn Snow]

The only possible excuse for the sept scene I could get behind was if the point was to make Cersei more sympathetic. I wouldn´t mind having her more sympathetic in the books too. She is too one-sided, goofy, villain.

[Frey Pies]

I'm not blaming Cersei for what Jaime did- you should really become less passionate about it, the scene wasn't bad, it's just people overreacting because of the rape.

I'm merely saying that Cersei brings out the dark side of Jaime, whereas Brienne encourages him to try and be more honourable. After one final mistake (the sept scene), Jaime has learned to stop being as influenced by Cersei. I believe that the conversation between the two in Oathkeeper was masterful, subtle but with the tension from what happened earlier running through it.

And honestly, I don't get why some are complaining that Jaime is suddenly back on the good side without any consequences. Of course there aren't many consequences, since the scene only involved Jaime and Cersei, and is not important enough to effect anyone else. As a result, there are definitely consequences for Jaime (just contrast his scenes this Ep. with every other throughout the Season) and Cersei, and their relationship, but not in the overall arch of Jaime. At the end of the day, he is still trying to find a way to salvage as much of his honour as possible, and that is one hiccup along the way. More than anything, that scene was a reminder to everyone that there is nothing like black and white- while Jaime is indeed trying to become good, he is still capable of committing bad deeds.

It sets up what occurs with Tyrion later on.

[SerArthurHeath]

The only possible excuse for the sept scene I could get behind was if the point was to make Cersei more sympathetic. I wouldn´t mind having her more sympathetic in the books too. She is too one-sided, goofy, villain.

Surely there are better ways of making her sympathetic?

[KeeperOfOaths]

Cercei calls Jaime Lord Commander because at the beginning of that scene Jaime calls her your Grace. And she answers him, sarcasticaly, that he is formal. I don't know why everybody forgets about him calling her your Grace and assumes that she wants to keep him at distance because of That scene.

[Darryk]

It was an extremely powerful scene, especially Nikolai's acting when Brienne says "I'll do it for Lady Stark...and for you".

The episode may have had its flaws but the Jaime-Brienne scenes made it one of the best in the series so far.

[rpmaluki]

Surely there are better ways of making her sympathetic?

I don't think it's possible to make Cersei sympathetic.

[Mother of Mini Dragons]

This thread shows how the director completely failed last week. Because instead of indulging in and enjoying what were some wonderfully acted and beautifully written scenes between Jaime and Brienne this week, we are still talking about how a horribly directed scene last week affects our view of it. Obviously, from Alex Graves' statements and what we saw this week, that sept scene was intended to play out as it did in the book. The fact that it didn't is just a complete and utter failure on the part of the director and the show-runners to not step in and correct it before it aired. It's really a shame b/c it really marred what otherwise would have been a really excellent episode this week for Jaime.

I just pretended the sept scene happened as it did in the books and with that in mind, I too loved the scenes between Jaime and Brienne and especially the subtle looks of sadness and anguish they each shared on parting from one another.

[rpmaluki]

This thread shows how the director completely failed last week. Because instead of indulging in and enjoying what were some wonderfully acted and beautifully written scenes between Jaime and Brienne this week, we are still talking about how a horribly directed scene last week affects our view of it. Obviously, from Alex Graves' statements and what we saw this week, that sept scene was intended to play out as it did in the book. The fact that it didn't is just a complete and utter failure on the part of the director and the show-runners to not step in and correct it before it aired. It's really a shame b/c it really marred what otherwise would have been a really excellent episode this week for Jaime.

I just pretended the sept scene happened as it did in the books and with that in mind, I too loved the scenes between Jaime and Brienne and especially the subtle looks of sadness and anguish they each shared on parting from one another.

Yeah, in my mind the sept scene played out exactly like it did in the book. I refuse to let that mess last week sully my love for Jaime's character.

[DarkAndFullOfTurnips]

Someone makes a post about Brienne and Jaime scenes and all you can do is talk about the fucking sept scene as if it hasn't been discussed enough. Fucking hell.

I thought the Brienne/Jaime scenes were excellent. I saw someone comment that they had wished Jaime would name the sword, but I think I prefer Brienne naming it. It's a bit more powerful when someone so honorable and decent is willing to name a sword for your good deeds rather than doing it yourself. Jaime naming it Oathkeeper is kind of self-validation, like "Hey I swear I'm a good guy now" whereas Brienne doing it sort of takes him off-guard.

[Amoracchius]

This thread shows how the director completely failed last week. Because instead of indulging in and enjoying what were some wonderfully acted and beautifully written scenes between Jaime and Brienne this week, we are still talking about how a horribly directed scene last week affects our view of it.

:agree:

[Cold Crashing Waves]

It was one of those scenes that just jumped straight off the page for me. Gonna miss the interactions between those two.

[Chebyshov]

This was such a great example of how skilled of a director Michelle Maclaren is. The acting was brilliant and moving in these scenes, and the comic relief of Pod was not overdone. Really just a pleasure to watch.

[Sand11751]

One of the things I have long admired about both actors is their ability to convey so much without speaking. Brienne has the most amazing ability to display all her emotions on her face - shock that Cersei realizes her less than platonic feelings for Jaime, surprise that he would give her the sword, annoyance with Podrick at "ser - milady". But the best was that farewell look , not only because it betrays the depth of feeling at having to say goodbye and fear that she might not see him for some time, but Jaime responds to it too. For the first time, he has had someone show him respect, not only think of him as the Kingslayer. At least in Brienne's eyes, he's no longer irredeemable. Also, she's the first woman he's grown to respect as well. He lusts for Cersei, but no respect there. He couldn't respect Catelyn either, but Brienne stirs that strange emotion for a woman in him. I don't ship this pairing as much as others, but I really enjoy their chemistry.