Theda Baratheon Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 He's also not a moron. Lollys is his meal ticket. Rule #1 of being a sellsword is don't bite the hand that pays you. I'm not going to claim he really cares about her deep down (I think he's too mercenary for that, in general) but he has every self-serving reason in the world to be very invested in taking care of her and treating her well and pursuing her best interests. And, as people have pointed out in this thread, her socio-political stock is actually rising. Bronn has in essence Won The Game Of Thrones and it's all due to her. And he knows that. Definitely. Not that I imagine him being some wonderful carer, but I can't see him abusing her mentally or physically either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefertari Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Lollys Stokeworth = proof of Tyrion's shallowness...This, She 's the proof that Tyrion is not only ugly outside, but truly a monster inside.He's completely rotten.Besides, Sansa was almost raped in that riot and lived the horror herself. Tyrion's fury was all about Cersei and Joffrey. I think his kindness to Sansa is mainly due to his deep hatred towards Cersei and Joffrey, not because of his chivalrous spirit.Yes, Tyrion was acting nice with Sansa for two reasons , he was sexually actrated to her, and he was going against Cercey ( 99% of Tyrion actions, he's the one who has a true sister complex) It says a lot about Shae that she drives Lollys "like a beast" and says to Tyrion "all they did was fuck her." And, a lot about Tyrion that he thinks her gang-rape was funny.Tyrion doesn't seem to realize much about what "rape" is for a woman, probably because he sees women simply as sexual objects he can have or can't have, Jamie shown to care and he seems to realize that rape is indeed something not nice, Tyrion on the other hand...he had a CREEPY ERECTION at Tysha gang rape.....he may find rape erotic probably, so he shares Shae opinion (they were made for each other). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Winter Rose Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I think we can learn a lot about central characters in light of their reaction to Lolly. Tyrion's cruel and heartless "witty" remarks about her first made me fully understand his flaws. Same applies to Cersei and Shae. Sansa on the other hand, who often is derided as shallow mean girl, treats Lollys with compassion and respect something that Lollys arguably notices - hence her crying at Sansa's wedding. I don't think she cried for Sansa though, it is noted that after what happened to her she was crying all the time and didn't want to leave her chambers at all. It makes sense, she is afraid of people let alone the crowds of Joffrey's wedding, poor girl... Regarding Lollys's crying at Sansa and Tyrion's wedding, perhaps it was in part because she was "losing" Tyrion (her mother had long tried to set the two of them up). I agree. I don't think that she was that close to Sansa in order to feel sorry for her. I think that this wasn't the first time that Lollys was present to a wedding, and it is likely that she knows what happens after the bedding, or at least her mother and sister might have explained it to her. Being forced to leave the safety of her room, probably brought back all those horrible memories. I though that's was just regular wedding crying. Some people cry on weddings. Other possible explanation is that Lollys is jealous because she though she won't get married. Lollys was pass age when people usually marry (she was old maid), and she was raped by 50 men, she was mentally disabled, ugly, and minor lady with older siblings. She though she won't ever be a bride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabellaVidal Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Lollys is a sweet, simple girl who has led a sheltered, non-violent life and she was raped "half a hundred times". She is traumatised and depressed. Whether or not she likes Sansa, it isn't outside the realms of possibility that she's crying because: 1) Sansa looks miserable2) the Stokeworths might have talked that Sansa is being forced3) she is simply depressed and doesn't want to remain in crowds 4) some vicious courtier said something in her hearing which made her miserable Kindly refrain from implying she even wants to marry at this point and be removed from the only people she considers safe. Gang rape is horrible.If her mental disability is Down syndrome that would account for people thinking she lacks looks and for her pudginess. It's possibly much worse for someone like that to be raped since she would not have more capable mechanisms to cope with what happened. Plus, in a medieval society like Westeros her family would be unable to provide her with proper counselling and care. The fact that they have likely forced her to attend court when she should be quiet and resting and recuperating show how little they understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Gendry Baratheon Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 A questions: She was raped by 50 peasants\ smallfolk, why? What had she done to them ffs? This is a bit unrealistic part, 5 monsters I would have understand, but that over 50 peasants would be such a monster against a innocent girl. Is there no good people among peasants in Kl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabellaVidal Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I believe "half a hundred times" is an exaggeration. But it was still gang rape. The rape was about rage, hunger, the idea that these nobles were well-clothed and well-fed while the people of the city suffered on a day to day basis, the lack of justice, and a response as well to Joffrey's obvious cruelty and disregard. The rape isn't about finding out whether or not Lollys is one of those responsible for their misery. It's about who she represents, about her being a soft target, and about humiliating a high-born lady who represents those high-born ladies who don't give a damn for anything except their own comfort. Hunger, anger, frustration in a mob are a volatile combination and rape and blood-lust are part of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Others Take Them Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Lollys is AA. It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Lollys Stokeworth = proof of Tyrion's shallowness... Tyrion only soft sport for cripple, bastard,and broken things is if they are good looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Tyrion only soft sport for cripple, bastard,and broken things is if they are good lookingAnd he's definitely not good looking now...http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/9/99064/3050160-ruber-jorg-tyrion-lannister-the-imp.jpg+w%3D529%26h%3D697.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Winter Rose Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Tyrion only soft sport for cripple, bastard,and broken things is if they are male. Fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenaExMachina Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 A questions: She was raped by 50 peasants\ smallfolk, why? What had she done to them ffs? This is a bit unrealistic part, 5 monsters I would have understand, but that over 50 peasants would be such a monster against a innocent girl. Is there no good people among peasants in Kl?Mob mentality. People are more willing to do atrocious things when they are anonymous in a crowd. What did she do to them? She was born a noble, and had food when they were starving. I suppose her being larger spurred them into a frenzy too, in the same way the High Septon being gluttonous did. (I'm not trying to excuse them btw, but I imagine their thought process would be something along these lines.)Also, of course there are good people in KL. But, in all likelihood, they would not have been in the streets during the riot anyway; they would have fled indoors asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valyrian Fork Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I also don't believe that Lollys deserves the scorn she receives, especially from the author. What scorn exactly is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valyrian Fork Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 A questions: She was raped by 50 peasants\ smallfolk, why? What had she done to them ffs? This is a bit unrealistic part, 5 monsters I would have understand, but that over 50 peasants would be such a monster against a innocent girl. Is there no good people among peasants in Kl? I know this board haaaaaates Preston Jacobs, but he actually has a pretty interesting reading of all the stuff that goes down during the KL riots, who is really behind everything and what the aim of various things (like Aron Santigar being murdered, Tyrek's kidnapping, Lollys's rape etc) might be in the grand scheme of things. It's in his Littlefinger videos. The series goes off the rails at the end, but there's a lot of really interesting connections he puts together out of details it seems most others overlooked. There's some evidence it wasn't so much a case of "people in KL suck" but "the riot was an orchestrated event in the Game and was furthering a bunch of political aims". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Of all the people in Westeros, Hodor and Lollys deserve a beautiful farm in the Lands of Always Summer.With Lenny snd the rabbits :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRS Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 To the OP..ya have to give Lollys some love..she really took one for the team.. As far as Preston, I think he is what makes the fandom fun. Lots of guys have opinions, and some of the "experts" in the know are the most difficult to stomach. Good for you to point out his stuff. A lot of the most crack pot theories have come to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefertari Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Tyrion only soft sport for cripple, bastard,and broken things is if they are good looking This. Well, except himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrell_like_Squirrel Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 After a traumatic gang rape? Lollys deserves comfort, care, and ease for the rest of her days. And if the hand of Martin says she must die, please let it be peaceful at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Show!Lollys leaves her book version in the dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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