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Dark Tyrion mode engaged. :devil:

Yeah it was good. I hope they follow through with it when it crosses into it less bad ass territory.

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Pycelle is also portrayed as a bumbling fool, but the show has gone to some lengths to show that that is an act. I feel they'll do the same to Mace at some point. He is a Tyrell afterall, so even if Olenna considers him a dumb oaf, that doesn't mean he isn't a top tier schemer and underhanded politico. Once Tywin is out of the picture, we'll probably see more of that side of Mace.


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Also, is moon door/Only Cat happening next episode???

Yeah. On the one hand I kind of wish they hadn't put the Moon Door in the preview for the Unsullied, but on the other hand it saves us from spending a week debating whether it will be in the episode or not.

Also, with Sansa's ASOS story finished by the end of episode 7, that means the Vale lords will be appearing in episode 10 for some combination of AFFC Sansa I & Alayne I (investigating Lysa's death and introducing the Lords Declarant, though not necessarily the resolution of the matter). At that pace, I can't see how Sansa doesn't have TWOW material in season 5.

Salladhor Saan. By definition this is already a great episode.

I sometimes wonder if that guy won a contest guaranteeing him one scene per season.

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Excellent episode. :bowdown:



Weaknesses:



1. Did Drogon barbecue the goat or the child, or both (i.e. whose bones did the farmer bring to show Daenerys)?


2. Ramsay porn. Boring.


3. Two dogs. Run away, Ironborn!




Strengths:



1. Unexpectedly, Hizdahr (a virtual nonentity in the books); he's suddenly interesting.


2. Mycroft Holmes (Mark Gatiss) as the Iron Banker.


3. Oberyn doing/saying whatever.


4. Theon as Reek.


5. Tyrion-Shae-Tywin-TYRION!!!! (oh wow, those last electrifying moments; Tyrion unleashed the anguish and anger of a lifetime of resentment and hurt)




I didn't want it to end.

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Really good episode. People will be raving about Dinklage but Alfie Allen is a phenomenal reek imo. Mace and Oberyn were both in fine form tonight along with Davos the legend

Oh yes, Alfie was excellent, definite props to him and his performance.

When TV Hizdahr said, "I pray you may never live to see a member of your family treated so cruelly," all I could think of was Viserys being killed by Drogo.

I kind of loved the scene with Dany smoothing over the goatherd matter and being all pleased with herself, only to be cut down to size by the confrontation with Hizdahr.

I don't think of Viserys, but yes, it's a good parallel.

So, Hozface is suppose to be a sleazeball in the books, are they making him now into a sympathetic character?

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You know who was tremendous in a spot I wasn't expecting? HIZDHAR. That dude knocked it out of the park and made Dany look (and feel) like a complete idiot in just a couple minutes. That's putting on a "killing them with kindness" clinic. Tremendous scene. Barristan had a nice I-Told-You-So look, too. That was a really great scene.

Loved it. I only know Joel Fry (Hizdahr) from his comedy work (Plebs, e.g.), but I agree, dude knocked it out of the park.

The whole Braavos side trip was worth it for Davos brandishing his maimed hand as proof of Stannis' honesty and reliability.

Hard to complain about more Salladhor. Actor kills it.

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Yeah. On the one hand I kind of wish they hadn't put the Moon Door in the preview for the Unsullied, but on the other hand it saves us from spending a week debating whether it will be in the episode or not.

Also, with Sansa's ASOS story finished by the end of episode 7, that means the Vale lords will be appearing in episode 10 for some combination of AFFC Sansa I & Alayne I (investigating Lysa's death and introducing the Lords Declarant, though not necessarily the resolution of the matter). At that pace, I can't see how Sansa doesn't have TWOW material in season 5.

Yeah, I think you're right. Although I never really thought she had a season's worth of material after OnlyCat anyway.

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Oh yes, Alfie was excellent, definite props to him and his performance.

I don't think of Viserys, but yes, it's a good parallel.

So, Hozface is suppose to be a sleazeball in the books, are they making him now into a sympathetic character?

Well Dany is going to end up marrying him so I guess that could be the reason for the change.

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Well Dany is going to end up marrying him so I guess that could be the reason for the change.

Except this change gives Hizdahr a good reason from day one to want Dany dead--that she had his father executed for no good reason--whereas in the books it was supposed to be at least something of a surprise that Hizdahr had it out for her.

...I wonder if the show writers realized that this change essentially makes Dany the Joffrey to Hizdahr's Robb. Oops.

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Well Dany is going to end up marrying him so I guess that could be the reason for the change.

Yeah, but that would negate the whole sacrificing theme if he's a "good guy". No, I think there is going to be more to him. We just had a tiny glimpse, the intrigue is about to start and Dany won't even realize it like in the books.

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Excellent episode. :bowdown:

Weaknesses:

1. Did Drogon barbecue the goat or the child, or both (i.e. whose bones did the farmer bring to show Daenerys)?

The child wasn't roasted, it was only the goat. Otherwise Dany would have freaked the hell out. I hope they add that eventually though.

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Answers to all the forumer's questions:

1) It was definitely a goat, not the goat herder's son. The skull of the herder's son doesn't have horns. Perhaps the ribs were his son's, but it seems doubtful that he'd mix up the remains.

2) Littlefinger most definitely left Dontos in the rowboat and threw the necklace in there. The bay was locked down shortly thereafter. The Kings Landing Coast Guard (humor me) would have no trouble finding the rogue boat floating out in the bay. Hell, Littlefinger may have even tipped them off since it implicates Tyrion/Sansa and takes the blame away from him.

3) It makes no sense for Oberyn to volunteer to be champion at this point. He wants to kill the Mountain, but he hasn't been declared as Cersei's champion yet.

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Yeah, but that would negate the whole sacrificing theme if he's a "good guy". No, I think there is going to be more to him. We just had a tiny glimpse, the intrigue is about to start and Dany won't even realize it like in the books.

Yeah, I think so too. This was an interesting revelation but I'm sure he's still a pretty shady guy.

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Yeah, but that would negate the whole sacrificing theme if he's a "good guy". No, I think there is going to be more to him. We just had a tiny glimpse, the intrigue is about to start and Dany won't even realize it like in the books.

That's true too. It will be interesting to see where they are going with it. If anything needs a little spicing up it is Dany's storyline.

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Answers to all the forumer's questions:

1) It was definitely a goat, not the goat herder's son. The skull of the herder's son doesn't have horns. Perhaps the ribs were his son's, but it seems doubtful that he'd mix up the remains.

2) Littlefinger most definitely left Dontos in the rowboat and threw the necklace in there. The bay was locked down shortly thereafter. The Kings Landing Coast Guard (humor me) would have no trouble finding the rogue boat floating out in the bay. Hell, Littlefinger may have even tipped them off since it implicates Tyrion/Sansa and takes the blame away from him.

3) It makes no sense for Oberyn to volunteer to be champion at this point. He wants to kill the Mountain, but he hasn't been declared as Cersei's champion yet.

This.

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This is the best episode of the season so far imo.

no question. I think it's my favorite episode ever.

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