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Idk if this has been brought up yet (just signed up), but does anyone have a clue how they are going to pull off the moondoor situation? Because they've shown no hints of a singer so far at the Eyrie, and the show has already disposed of Marillion sooo...

I guess they'll think of some way to tweak it without upsetting it in its essentials. I don't think they've done too bad in the Eyrie thus far so we'll have to see.

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Seeing shirtless Theon was so depressing to me. Even after he's being flayed, tortured, castrated and malnourished he has a better body than me

Guess he took a page out of the Jennifer Lawrence "Don't go anorexic for a role" book, which I applaud, actually

Ah, word, I was actually thinking that for a guy who has spent months in a dungeon being tortured, he looks pretty cut. Still not a big deal, the acting is far more important than the appearance and he nails it.

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Thought the adaptation tonight was pretty great. This was one of the best episodes of the season and one of the more memorable ones period, IMO.



I'm not all torn up over the fan-fic stuff here; Stannis personally being in Braavos didn't bug me. Neither did Jaime's commitment to Tyrion during the trial and the deal he accepts. The reality of that scene is that it kills two birds with one stone; it helps both sullied and unsullied hop back aboard the Kingslayer's Redemption that was slightly derailed with the Cersei-rape more easily and sets the stage for the breakout in Ep. 10. Plus how great was the start of #DarkTyrion tonight? Finally Dinklage gets to bring some gray back to the character and he really nailed that scene.



Somebody already mentioned it as well but the bath scene between Theon and Ramsay was pretty great; unbelievable acting and camera direction to make the simplest scene of normal human decency ridiculous ripe with tension. Plus that smile on Ramsay's face when he looks "down there" absolutely killed me.


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There's a difference between women being treated like objects in Westeros and the show itself treating women like sex objects, as well as using rape as flippantly as many people feel they have been -- the latter point is up for debate, the former really isn't. The show is full of female flesh that serves no purpose whatsoever other than objectifying the women for the presumed viewing pleasure of the audience.

The use of women in the show as simply objects for the men's pleasure is as real as the violence and butchery we see during battles. Yes, it appeals men but it's not like they're inventing such treatment.

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I'm a clueless chump and saw the preview but I really was teased along by the Enter the Dragon goatherd scene...wth are they staring at? Oh, yeah...Well done bit.

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There had to have been a reason for the Oberyn and Vary's conversation. I think this is laying the ground work for

Dorne supporting Aegon. They don't like to keep anything off screen for too long or to blind side the audience.

It's probably why they had Yara attack the dreadfort too. I thought the Ironbank scene was very good and the shot

of the Titan of bravos looked perfect and the overview of Bravos looked cool. I wish I could use Google streetview on it.

Varys really threw me off a bit this week. What the hell DOES he want? He looks at the throne like he was interested in it, but we know that isn't true. (I know the good of the realm, but with who running it?) Again I guess thats ok since I still am not sold on exactly what book Varys wants either.

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:thumbsup: Its the reason why the characters that are female we have are so great. Asha doesnt put up with shit, Ellaria is milking it to gather intel, Sansa stands her ground (and is building a fucking snow castle goddammit!). Lysa gets what she wants (at her own expense), Cersei uses the system and manipulates it to put her babies on the throne. The babies she wanted. Arya faces a bleak reality and has to cope with that. Ygritte fights for the freedom of her and her people. Dany tests the waters to rule and faces challenges by trying to overturn a bad system. Brienne makes her own way for her own honor. Melisandre wants to save the world in the name of her god. These girls are making waves and the contrast has to be made for them to do so. If it offends people, i have to ask if we even have seen and read the same series. The bleating....im tired of it.

lel

:rolleyes: seriously. If you hate something like this adaptation, why are you watching it? There are readers of the series who have chosen not to watch the show and by proxy, they wont bitch about it. It would be a good idea to take a leaf from them so those of us enjoying ourselves dont have to hear this noise.

:) Cheers to that! And this..."The babies she wanted." is of course, Cersei's biggest triumphant manipulation of the system!

No clue. That was part of the reason I thought Only Cat might be delayed until 4x10, since the show hasn't introduced a patsy yet and there's no Marillion.

Someone suggested using Mord, which would be an elegant solution, but I don't even know if that actor's back for Season 4.

It could just be some random guard.

Personally I think that there won't be a witness. It will just be Sansa and Baelish. This is my guess for the last scene this season. Bye bye Lysa.

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Oh for the love of...GO AWAY! Im not uncomfortable. Im tired of the whinging! If you dont like what you are seeing, stop feeding the pig by watching it! Armchair Activists. fucking lol

Awww... uncomfortable and defensive. Totes adorbs.

There's a difference between women being treated like objects in Westeros and the show itself treating women like sex objects, as well as using rape as flippantly as many people feel they have been -- the latter point is up for debate, the former really isn't. The show is full of female flesh that serves no purpose whatsoever other than objectifying the women for the presumed viewing pleasure of the audience.

Yup. It's amazing this needs to be pointed out.

:rolleyes: seriously. If you hate something like this adaptation, why are you watching it? There are readers of the series who have chosen not to watch the show and by proxy, they wont bitch about it. It would be a good idea to take a leaf from them so those of us enjoying ourselves dont have to hear this noise.

Seriously, If you hate reading criticism so much maybe just move over to the 'without nitpicking' threads. You know... so I don't have to hear this noise.

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The use of women in the show as simply objects for the men's pleasure is as real as the violence and butchery we see during battles. Yes, it appeals men but it's not like they're inventing such treatment.

No, if the point was to critique the society, they wouldn't be using parades of nude women purely as eye candy.

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Stunned by the number of people who think there was any serious amount of sincerity in anything that Hizdahr said. I doubt if his father spoke out against the stuff he said at all. He's just coming in with a sob story because he's probably heard that the new queen always buys sob stories. We saw that with the goatherd.

Great episode. I really liked the way they translated the trial scene into the show. It lost some things but preserved the key essence, while adding others, like Margaery's reactions to the proceedings, knowing what we know about her insight into the truth of the matter.

Hizdahr is likely bullshitting, yes, but if he is, it means hes not a fucking mustache twirling moron, but understands how to manipulate her. And thats awesome. It made me root for him a bit. I cant wait for the Harpy subplot. Plus he dropped the Graces so yes. Green Grace is a go! Hnngh!

Did I say that I hate the whole series?

I've enjoyed it a lot for the most part, even though the deviations from the books seem to be getting progressively worse with each season. There have been episodes that have left me disappointed or underwhelmed by certain scenes, but this is the first episode to rub me the wrong way so much that i'd go as far as to say I hated it.

Sorry mate. I just get SO frustrated with people watching this show just to bitch and moan. Kinda angry at the fandom and it sucks cuz i dont want to hate the fandom. But some of it like this:

Seriously, If you hate reading criticism so much maybe just move over to the 'without nitpicking' threads. You know... so I don't have to hear this noise.

makes me think this fandom is terrible. Really terrible, unpleasable, pigheaded, purist, and just plain joyless.

The use of women in the show as simply objects for the men's pleasure is as real as the violence and butchery we see during battles. Yes, it appeals men but it's not like they're inventing such treatment.

Ramsay half naked was also fanservice.

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I've actually been fairly tolerant of a lot of the changes they've made to the series up until now. Tonight's episode just made me cringe though. Repeatedly.

Weird i'm the complete opposite. A lot of the changes in previous episodes have pissed me off but I didn't really have any problems tonight. Stannis and Davos in Braavos was great. Jaime/Tywins deal made perfect sense. I also really like Hizhahrs scene. Only thing that was meh was the Yara/Ramsay fight but Alfie Allens acting pretty much saved the scene for me.

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I've only seen the episode once, but I took Stannis' quietness at the bank to be more "I am so done with this bullshit this was a bad idea from the start" more than giving up. Davos, otoh, understands Braavos and told Mycroft to shut the fuck up. The power of bromance triumphed :P



...or Davos said "Stannis, for the love of god, let me do most of the talking."


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Excellent episode. :bowdown:

Weaknesses:

1. Did Drogon barbecue the goat or the child, or both (i.e. whose bones did the farmer bring to show Daenerys)?

2. Ramsay porn. Boring.

3. Two dogs. Run away, Ironborn!

Strengths:

1. Unexpectedly, Hizdahr (a virtual nonentity in the books); he's suddenly interesting.

2. Mycroft Holmes (Mark Gatiss) as the Iron Banker.

3. Oberyn doing/saying whatever.

4. Theon as Reek.

5. Tyrion-Shae-Tywin-TYRION!!!! (oh wow, those last electrifying moments; Tyrion unleashed the anguish and anger of a lifetime of resentment and hurt)

I didn't want it to end.

Someone may already answered since I'm on pg 15, but looks like a goat and the herder said goat, look at the skull it had horns.

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This one was good... Like really good.



What I like the most is in fact that Tyrion has finally returned. St. Tyrion was gone, and good old Tyrion was back in the game. And guess what, we loved it every single moment of it. After painfully long time, after whitewashing of every single interaction he had throughout last and this season, Tyrion was brilliantly Tyrion. I enjoyed in Tyrion this episode more than I have enjoyed him in quite some time... Well job



Oberyn, as usual, lights every room he is in. He brings such great chemistry. My favorite this year. Love him...



On the opposite side, WTF Stannis and even more WTF Mace? Once again, HBO proves not to be neither brilliant nor terrible.



Lastly, Theon and Asha. This one was rather nice. Not my favorite, but good enough



The worst: Daenerys. Pardon me for saying this, but I wanted that child to burn, I wanted her to face some real challenges. Hizdahr's speech was nice, for it pointed out the injustice of the great justice. Never mind that most likely he is lying, thing is it is pointed out. I wish it was something Daenerys truly noted. This could have been done better.



All and all, nice episode, this one, unlike the last one, made sense...



And, OMG



WE WILL SEE SNOW CASTLE SCENES... YAY :commie: :cheers: :commie:

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I've only seen the episode once, but I took Stannis' quietness at the bank to be more "I am so done with this bullshit this was a bad idea from the start" more than giving up. Davos, otoh, understands Braavos and told Mycroft to shut the fuck up. The power of bromance triumphed :P

...or Davos said "Stannis, for the love of god, let me do most of the talking."

Stannis does need to start speaking for himself. Davos was yes, but i need Stannis to stand up.

And Loras/Renly, and Oberyn/Ellaria/PeopleFromTheONlyBrothelInKL, and Loras/WhatHisName...

And Jon Snow. Dont forget Jon.

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This one was good... Like really good.

What I like the most is in fact that Tyrion has finally returned. St. Tyrion was gone, and good old Tyrion was back in the game. And guess what, we loved it every single moment of it. After painfully long time, after whitewashing of every single interaction he had throughout last and this season, Tyrion was brilliantly Tyrion. I enjoyed in Tyrion this episode more than I have enjoyed him in quite some time... Well job

Oberyn, as usual, lights every room he is in. He brings such great chemistry. My favorite this year. Love him...

On the opposite side, WTF Stannis and even more WTF Mace? Once again, HBO proves not to be neither brilliant nor terrible.

Lastly, Theon and Asha. This one was rather nice. Not my favorite, but good enough

The worst: Daenerys. Pardon me for saying this, but I wanted that child to burn, I wanted her to face some real challenges. Hizdahr's speech was nice, for it pointed out the injustice of the great justice. Never mind that most likely he is lying, thing is it is pointed out. I wish it was something Daenerys truly noted. This could have been done better.

All and all, nice episode, this one, unlike the last one, made sense...

And, OMG

WE WILL SEE SNOW CASTLE SCENES... YAY :commie: :cheers: :commie:

So you have a bit of the rage for the goat. Good. ;p

I knew you'd be freaking out over the snowcastle. I need to have my joy for that restored. Fandom sucks sometimes.

Stannis was ok cuz Braavos. FUck yeah Braavos. I like Oaf though, dont be hatin'. Well job. I have to keep that one in mind.

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Stannis does need to start speaking for himself. Davos was yes, but i need Stannis to stand up.

I can't picture Stannis begging for money though lol

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And Loras/Renly, and Oberyn/Ellaria/PeopleFromTheONlyBrothelInKL, and Loras/WhatHisName...

Yummy fanservice.

Stannis does need to start speaking for himself. Davos was yes, but i need Stannis to stand up.

And Jon Snow. Dont forget Jon.

Not disagreeing with you. He needs to talk the talk like he (usually) walks the walks. I'm hoping his later important moment is Livingston levels of vocal badass.

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Yummy fanservice.

Not disagreeing with you. He needs to talk the talk like he (usually) walks the walks. I'm hoping his later important moment is Livingston levels of vocal badass.

Yeah. I am still pretty pleased to see Salla. Hes great and brings joy to the arc.

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