The Old Tongue Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 First of all, a major goof by depicting Mel without her ruby. I'm wondering if this was an oversight by the director or if mayhaps the producers are of the knowledge that the ruby is a trick like those at her shelf.I'm also a little ticked off at how blatant the show is at suggesting the fate of Stannis' daughter. I don't remember it being so obvious in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 What is obvious though? Sure, it sounded kind of ominous, but they didn't say specifically what it was, so it could be many things. We know for certain she's instrumental to the whole plot now though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tongue Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 Is there ever a scene in the books where she's not wearing the ruby? Or taking a bath? That seems rather human of someone who never sleeps or is never shown eating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdyphillip Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 First of all, a major goof by depicting Mel without her ruby. I'm wondering if this was an oversight by the director or if mayhaps the producers are of the knowledge that the ruby is a trick like those at her shelf.I'm also a little ticked off at how blatant the show is at suggesting the fate of Stannis' daughter. I don't remember it being so obvious in the book. I personally don't think that this proves one way or another what the ultimate fate of Shireen will be in the books. It has always been known that Melisandre was out for King's blood, and that Stanis loves his daughter enough to not sacrifice her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 First of all, a major goof by depicting Mel without her ruby. I'm wondering if this was an oversight by the director or if mayhaps the producers are of the knowledge that the ruby is a trick like those at her shelf.I'm also a little ticked off at how blatant the show is at suggesting the fate of Stannis' daughter. I don't remember it being so obvious in the book.No, it was no where near that obvious. I cringe when the show does that because even though I really enjoy the show, I want to read it first. The show is going to bypass the books & I'm just not sure how I feel about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Is there ever a scene in the books where she's not wearing the ruby? Or taking a bath? That seems rather human of someone who is never sleeps or shown eating. No. But she does eat in the books, not because she needs to, just not to freak people out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Mel appears in her twenties in the books. She's a older woman in the show. No need for the ruby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I personally don't think that this proves one way or another what the ultimate fate of Shireen will be in the books. It has always been known that Melisandre was out for King's blood, and that Stanis loves his daughter enough to not sacrifice her.Oh I think the show made it pretty clear. Mel is going to burn Shireen. How else could you take that scene? It's only been theorized by book readers until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tongue Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 Mel appears in her twenties in the books. She's a older woman in the show. No need for the ruby.Well, that's assuming she's not way older like speculated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Oh I think the show made it pretty clear. Mel is going to burn Shireen. How else could you take that scene? It's only been theorized by book readers until now. Imo no. And also, it could be a red herring as I doubt they'd just give such a major spoiler away and ruin it. It just implied Shireen is instrumental going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdyphillip Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Oh I think the show made it pretty clear. Mel is going to burn Shireen. How else could you take that scene? It's only been theorized by book readers until now. I think what was made clear is that Melisandre wants to burn Shireen as part of her plan... I took the same interpretation from the books as she has kings blood. I don't think that Stanis will allow that in either book or show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tongue Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 Imo no. And also, it could be a red herring as I doubt they'd just give such a major spoiler away and ruin it. It just implied Shireen is instrumental going forward.She told her to look into the fire, told her about sacrificing people, told her to do what's necessary (that there are no sins in service to The Lord), and told her to bring Shireen. How is that not clear? Whether it happens it not remains to be seen but she definitely wants to burn her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Imo no. And also, it could be a red herring as I doubt they'd just give such a major spoiler away and ruin it. It just implied Shireen is instrumental going forward.Well Mel said something to Selyse like you are strong enough to see the truth no matter how harsh & that the lord of light will need Shireen. With the whole power in Kings blood thing it seems pretty obvious to me. Could be a red herring though, hope it is. I think they would most definitely give away a major spoiler but I hope they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Ill seriously bawl my eyes out if Shireen gets burned. Im not even joking. I did like the scene and i actually didnt notice the ruby was missing. Oh well. The scene was interesting because Selyse is both enraptured and envious of Mel. The scene with the two women was very cool and had Mel explaining her tricks. Selyse was like "i wish i was her. I wish...then Stannis would want me..." Its oddly emotional and Mel was trying to comfort Selyse in her...weird way. Mel is kinda detached from human emotions. Its a cool scene. But im so afraid for Shireen. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 TBH, R'hllor also needed Gendry and he's alive. We all think she's going to burn her but maybe WOW SPOILER They all hear that Stannis died and they need Shireen to crown her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 She told her to look into the fire, told her about sacrificing people, told her to do what's necessary (that there are no sins in service to The Lord), and told her to bring Shireen. How is that not clear?Whether it happens it not remains to be seen but she definitely wants to burn her. Yes, that's what I meant. It might be her intention, but isn't a spoiler per se as it's to be seen whether it happens or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tongue Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 I think what was made clear is that Melisandre wants to burn Shireen as part of her plan... I took the same interpretation from the books as she has kings blood. I don't think that Stanis will allow that in either book or show.What if Stannis does? That could be his turning point. He's following the prophecy like its a checklist instead of forging his own path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I think what was made clear is that Melisandre wants to burn Shireen as part of her plan... I took the same interpretation from the books as she has kings blood. I don't think that Stanis will allow that in either book or show.I haven't read them in awhile but I don't remember it being so in your face in the book. Like it was something I caught on my 2nd read or after thinking about it a bit. Here it was like Oh Mel wants to burn Shireen.I think you are correct though: Stannis won't allow her to do it. if he is around to stop it. We know that there is a point where Stannis isn't around & poor Shireen is left with Crazy Mel & crazier Selyse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernmonkey Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Oh I think the show made it pretty clear. Mel is going to burn Shireen. How else could you take that scene? It's only been theorized by book readers until now. That's a massive assumption. The only thing I took from that scene is that Shireen is going to be very important. I thought it might be a hint that she will become queen in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sages Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 TBH, R'hllor also needed Gendry and he's alive. We all think she's going to burn her but maybeWOW SPOILERThey all hear that Stannis died and they need Shireen to crown her Unfortunately it feels like the burning of Shireen is imminent now. I hope that I'm wrong but now I'm actually expecting it rather than simply thinking there is an outside possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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