Lady Fevre Dream Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I've totally forgotten to mention this, but I hope one of MY FAV LINES EVER comes up, and that is Oberyn referring to Gregor as The Enormity That Rides. I LMAO every single reread at that. Small chance we get it but......a girl can hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Jefe Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I have high hopes for the fight. I'm fine with any changes they make, as long as they keep the idea of Oberyn snatching defeat from the jaws of victory due to his obsession.I'm not sure how the his screem of 'Eeeeliaaaa' would work on the screen. It could come across as campy, and if so, I won't miss it if they cut it.I hope that Oberyn's end is sufficiently grusome. Favorite duel on the show: Bronn's duel at the Eerie.Favority duel on tv/movie, discounting martial arts films, is Hector Vs. Achilles in Troy. In a way, it was a fight similar to O vs M. Hector was the larger oponent, and Achilles used a spear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impish Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Favourite duel of the show so far: Beric and the Hound. I thought they captured a lot of details from the book, and loved the Hound's desperate "howl" at the end as he puts everything into the final blow, and Arya's rage. Favourite duel of all time: Michelle Yeoh and Ziyi Zhang at the end of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. Emotional depth, an absolutely astonishing display of skill, and a wonderfully diverse array of fluidly shifting weapon choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Ayras Lord Commander Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I wouldn't be shocked. Honestly while the show has some uncomfortably graphic scenes I don't find it anywhere on the level of a show like dexter. The ending of the duel the way it goes down in the book really could be too much. Don't hate on my mancrush: Dexter Morgan. I honestly don't think they show anything that's extremely graphic, besides the excessive amount of blood at times. Most of the truly gruesome stuff is off camera IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerg Sknab Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 These are details. Not major plot changes. The major plot point is that Stannis acquires a loan from the Iron Bank. The items you mention are details that do not alter that point. The major plot points are that Mel performs blood magic with one of Robert's bastards, and Davos lets him go (and also demonstrates that Stannis is willing to sacrifice his own blood). Swapping Gendry for Edric is a detail that does not affect these points. Jayne Westerling's survival (with potential Robb offspring) so far has made zero plot difference in the books. And the showrunners were in a position to ask GRRM "hey if we kill Robb's wife will that mess anything up?". So there is no evidence this is a massive plot change either. Etc etc. Oberyn dying however? That IS a major plot point, it affects a huge number of future events. There's no way they're going to change it so that he lives. I am sorry but Stannis-Davos/The Iron Bank episode is a major plot deviation...remember Jon Snow and the Night Watch negotiation with Tycho long preceed those of Stannis and there is no clue as to what assurances if any Jon Snow may have given in return for a positive outcome for Stannis...we do know one thing Jon Snow offered up to Tycho..whatever riches the Freefolk have... The Edric/Gendry plot point goes much deeper than Mel's blood magic even though the blood magic does assist killing three kings...in the books both have a part to play in the plot line and yes I'll give you their part of the plot is murky at this point however there is still two books+ to go... What changes with Oberyn winning? Tyrion can still be stuffed into a wine keg and uncememoniously presented to Illyio and further his journey....The clash of the Queens and the Faith?...the writers can still come with "Cersei's monster" if necessary...The delay of the Sand Snakes at court?....they can accompany Myrcella on her return to KL.... I'll stop now thanks for reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Ayras Lord Commander Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I am sorry but Stannis-Davos/The Iron Bank episode is a major plot deviation...remember Jon Snow and the Night Watch negotiation with Tycho long preceed those of Stannis and there is no clue as to what assurances if any Jon Snow may have given in return for a positive outcome for Stannis...we do know one thing Jon Snow offered up to Tycho..whatever riches the Freefolk have... The Edric/Gendry plot point goes much deeper than Mel's blood magic even though the blood magic does assist killing three kings...in the books both have a part to play in the plot line and yes I'll give you their part of the plot is murky at this point however there is still two books+ to go... What changes with Oberyn winning? Tyrion can still be stuffed into a wine keg and uncememoniously presented to Illyio and further his journey....The clash of the Queens and the Faith?...the writers can still come with "Cersei's monster" if necessary...The delay of the Sand Snakes at court?....they can accompany Myrcella on her return to KL.... I'll stop now thanks for reading Not killing Oberyn would be the biggest plot hole fail. If you don't kill Oberyn, don't bother casting Dorne or their elk at 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Lord Carson Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 If Oberyn wins, Tyrion is innocent and doesn't need to be put in a wine keg and flee to Essos. There's a large difference between story and plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sati Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Come on guys. Oberyn, Shae and Tywin book fates will stay the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tommen Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 The next time the show doesn't kill off a character when they're scheduled to die in the books will be the first time. If anything, they're more likely to have another minor character die as well who is still alive in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerg Sknab Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Not killing Oberyn would be the biggest plot hole fail. If you don't kill Oberyn, don't bother casting Dorne or their elk at 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They didn't cast the elk or Coldhands either..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Ayras Lord Commander Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 They didn't cast the elk or Coldhands either..... Misinterpreting the several definitions of "elk." This reference refers to those of a similar and like-minded thinking, not a type of animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Misinterpreting the several definitions of "elk." This reference refers to those of a similar and like-minded thinking, not a type of animal. Wouldn't that word be ILK, not ELK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Hand of the King Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Not only is this my favorite duel in the series, it is one of my favorite scenes. I'm mostly just hoping they stick as close to the books as possible on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Hand of the King Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I'm going to be so pissed if he cuts Oberyn in half instead of smashing his head in. Ugh, why couldn't they have just let Elia die the same way as in the books? Now either A) they have to change the way Oberyn dies or B)cut the "I smashed her fucking head in, like this" line. Its a lose-lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Hand of the King Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 i think that allegation is wrong, the mountain will set the record straight with how he actually killed her and then provide the example. This idea I like a lot actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Oromus Locke Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 As long as the fight is good, which I'm sure it will be, all that really matters to me is Oberyn saying " you raped her, you killed her, you murdered her children" over and over again, and yelling EEELLLIAAAAA when he stabs the Mountain. They HAVE to include that or I'm sure a lot of book readers ( if not all of them) are going to be pretty pissed.I'm going to be so pissed if he cuts Oberyn in half instead of smashing his head in. Ugh, why couldn't they have just let Elia die the same way as in the books? Now either A) they have to change the way Oberyn dies or B)cut the "I smashed her fucking head in, like this" line. Its a lose-lose. I've begun to see how much of UnOnlyCat has had an effect on the fandom.. All they have to do is show that Oberyn is trying to get a confession out of Gregor and getting into it vocally. Whatever his choice of words is perfectly fine, as long as we see the same extent of vocal madness. But I'm betting that the people here are going to rage when he gets the order wrong.. "You raped her, you murdered her children, you killed her!" <- Fans react badly, start speaking in terms such as: "they can't possibly do any more harm then has already been done, they ruined it!".. Cutting the "I smashed her fucking head in, like this" is a deal breaker as well? This fight can't go right.. There's just too many uptight fanbois. I can expect Elio to go: "I liked it, well.. I didn't like that they.. *describes everything about the fight" 1) How it will come out: I expect the end result to be the same (Oberyn dies immediately, Gregor gets poisoned and dies later), but the details will probably vary (I don't expect Oberyn's dialogue to be exactly the same as it is in the books). 2) What I hope to see in particular: lots of reactions from the non-combatants (Cersei, Tyrion, Jaime and Ellaria in particular) and Oberyn in full-on rage mode. 3) favourite combat in series so far: the duel between Ned and Jaime (and their retainers) in season 1 tied with the duel between Jaime and Brienne in season 3. 4) best duel I've ever seen in film or TV: Leeloo vs. goons set to Plava Laguna's aria in The Fifth Element. 5) I expect Oberyn's duel with the mountain to become my no. 3 favourite duel in GoT. 1. Fully agree.2. What I hope: Include Tywin and perhaps Shae in that list and we agree. Also, Tyrion puking out of sheer terror of knowing his fate.3. Favorite fight: Toss up between Ned vs. Jaime, Bronn vs. Vardis Egen and Beric vs. Sandor.4. Best duel ever: Quigonn & Kenobi vs. D-Maul.. The Narrator vs. Tyler Durden.. Because for make belief, it just feels so real.. If they cut "You raped her, you killed her, you murdered her children" I'll go and kill the Mountain myself.Also, I would looooove to see something like"You know who am ?""Some dead man""I'm oberyn Martell, You killed my sister. You're going to die" Hahahaha! Good to see that at least a part of the fandom still has enough sense of humor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Ayras Lord Commander Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Wouldn't that word be ILK, not ELK? I failed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Not Appearing Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Absurdly excessive use of exclamation points was the far greater fail. Unacceptably so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lizard King Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Best duel ever... Dan Dorrity vs. The Captain in Deadwood. Just brutal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blki-DISUis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryuho Martell Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 The whole combat has some of the best dialogues in the series, I hope most of them remain intact. All those that were already quoted and one of my personal favorites: "you're going to fight that?" "I'm going to kill that" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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