Defeatarion Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Yeah he was definitely the least intimidating 8 foot tall guy I've ever seen. I think I could have taken him. His arms which are thicker than my entire body aren't scary at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Man, fuck Barristan. Dude's bein' a straight up baby-back bitch. Yeah, he's a total hypocrite. He becomes Kings Guard to the Usurper of those he is sworn to protect (Arthur and gang went down fighting 'our knees don't bend easily') then 'leaves' them for Danenerys because they chuck him out...probably wouldn't have left otherwise. I'm not faulting him for his actions but he is a hypocrite to get all 'you dirty traitor' towards Jorah. Edited June 2, 2014 by ~DarkHorse~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixFlame Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) The Coen Brothers comparison is apt, since Tyrion's speech brought to mind their movie A Serious Man, where the protagonist grapples with trying to find meaning in all the horrible things happening to him. Thank you! I KNEW there was a film that scene was reminding me of and you named it. I also liked Tyrion's lower-self comment that scoffing at handicapped people made him feel normal. Ah, I forgot Arya. I loved her reaction. It was both weird and proof she's not a total coldhearted child soldier, despite her casual "ehee, killing evil fuckers is fun!" I like the gradual slowing of Sandor. It makes sense he'd ignore a "little" wound that gets infected. I also adored the look of "WTF OMG FML!!!!LGDKGSDF!!!" in his eyes at the end. Edited June 2, 2014 by PhoenixFlame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I'm not faulting him for his actions but he is a hypocrite to get all 'you dirty traitor' towards Jorah. Barristan never pretended to serve one king whilst actually undermining them to serve another, unlike Jorah. He served the Targaryens loyally until the dynasty fell, and he served the Baratheons until they dismissed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I see right through what they're doing with Arya. What they want to do is portray that she's lost her mind and that so much death has caused her to become a psychopath/sociopath. They want to show her as incapable of feeling. This will contradict what the Unsullied thought they knew about Arya and will give her an out when she becomes a ruthless killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronz Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I took the laughter to mean she was affected by the absurdity of missing her saving grace by a hair, yet again. She's never met Lysa so has no reason to really laugh at her death psychotically (she just might if they'd met, of course.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Defeatarion your avatar is hilarious! Also, sad but still funny. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Oberyn's spear was also a plus, though for a moment I thought it was The Mountain vs. Zhao Yun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrownedSnow Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) I rolled my eyes more than a couple of times but I liked so much of the episode, even some things I didn't like I think make sense.Every episode I see more and more it was a HUGE mistake to not have Ygritte and the wildlings attack in like the first episode. All this raiding and killing women/children is hurting that arc. Jon's race to the Wall and packing up Mole's Town to save them/defend Castle Black would have just been great TV. THEN you could have let the Wall chill off until the end of the season and Stannis' arrival.The stuff with Grey Worm and Missandei is a confusing distraction but it's for the viewers and I fear it may set up a soul-crushing Grey Worm death.Lysa a suicide and Sansa just straight Starking herself? That may work out to make sense in a way but I'm not sure where they are going with it. Also, a huge shift in Sansa's character. Does this lend credence to Winds of Winter theories? Anyway, it's way different but I was totally locked in from the moment Littlefinger suggested that it was suicide. I don't like Sansa sort of accepting Littlefinger's perving of her but the fact that she is trying to take control is a nice change.Roose must have been holding back that letter declaring Ramsey a Bolton for a long time. I kind of like that. It's very much like Roose to do that.Jorah getting the boot exactly as we figured they might do it and it does work for the show.Fucking A, they are legit trolling us by giving Jojen's catch phrase to Oberyn.The fight was amazing though and I still felt such pain seeing Oberyn get cocky instead of just finishing him off. For a second I almost believed. That punch knocking out like half his teeth was just nuts. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't The Mountain stay pinned down by the spear in the book? Edited June 2, 2014 by DrownedSnow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurymalys Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Not sure why Jaime was smiling to much. Didn't actually notice this during the fight, but I'd imagine it's because his love for Tyrion. Jaime wouldn't want Oberyn to lose this fight. I thought this episode was solid overall. Ramsay's legitimization actually moved me, which was wholly unexpected. And I just love Michael McElhatton as Roose. About the beetle scene. I thought that the core idea there was powerful and meaningful, and I loved how it resonated through just about every fiber of this show. However, like some other people have stated, it went on for far too long. Also, as (only) one other person has pointed out so far in this thread, the way Orson Lannister was talked about was downright offensive--both the jokes and comparing someone with a mental handicap to a cold-blooded killer. Sure, it fits the world. But it wasn't sensitive enough to work in our world. I thought the fight was wonderful. It was so gruesome I felt sick there at the end, and I was trembling. Seeing Oberyn scream hurt. My only qualm with the fight was that they cut the "If you do not say her name, ser...seven hells" line. Still, I thought it was great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Hand of the King Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Great fight scene. The wail by Ellaria was perfect, exactly how I imagined it in the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatarion Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Defeatarion your avatar is hilarious! Also, sad but still funny. :lol: Haha well it is pretty bittersweet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixFlame Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) The fight was amazing though and I still felt such pain seeing Oberyn get cocky instead of just finishing him off. For a second I almost believed. That punch knocking out like half his teeth was just nuts. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't The Mountain stay pinned down by the spear in the book? Yup, it was a bit tweaked. Book!Oberyn jumps on his chest, only for the Mountain to reach up and drag him down. He definitely shattered his teeth though. I luuuurved (in a sick way) Oberyn's teeth skittering over the ring. This ain't no tragically romantic death. Didn't actually notice this during the fight, but I'd imagine it's because his love for Tyrion. Jaime wouldn't want Oberyn to lose this fight. I thought this episode was solid overall. Ramsay's legitimization actually moved me, which was wholly unexpected. And I just love Michael McElhatton as Roose. About the beetle scene. I thought that the core idea there was powerful and meaningful, and I loved how it resonated through just about every fiber of this show. However, like some other people have stated, it went on for far too long. Also, as (only) one other person has pointed out so far in this thread, the way Orson Lannister was talked about was downright offensive--both the jokes and comparing someone with a mental handicap to a cold-blooded killer. Sure, it fits the world. But it wasn't sensitive enough to work in our world. I thought the fight was wonderful. It was so gruesome I felt sick there at the end, and I was trembling. Seeing Oberyn scream hurt. My only qualm with the fight was that they cut the "If you do not say her name, ser...seven hells" line. Still, I thought it was great. Dude we are in kindred agreement. Ramsay's Bolton-morph moved me because he looks so close to choked up. This ain't a dude who bows out of habit, but he's kneeling for Roose. As he should, obviously, but it was like his childhood dream coming true. To a total nutcase, but whatevs. Plus Roose is like a suaver Scar aping Mufasa. Oh, Lannister reaction GIFs! Edited June 2, 2014 by PhoenixFlame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Yeah, there was no wrestling match like there was in the books. The wrestling match sold the desperation well in the books. But the way it happened in the show is ok because it goes with the way Oberyn had been acting and the way everything happens so abruptly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurymalys Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't The Mountain stay pinned down by the spear in the book? He sure did. I'm thinking that would have been something of a nightmare, logistically, though. It always sort of confused me in the books too--how's he pull Oberyn on top of him with that spear in the way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjordgazer Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Harry Lime's example with Silence of the Lambs and people who get worked up about the beetle dialogue is spot on. Jesus, and then you complain about the Unsullied... It's on par with other often-praised dialogues in the series. It's just that we were obviously desperate for the duel (rather understandable). I rewatched the episode, and my only nitpick remains the same: how the hell are we having Arya at Braavos at the start of next season (to the end of this one is pretty impossible now)? Anyone's guess is as good as mine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperoreddy Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Yup, it was a bit tweaked. Book!Oberyn jumps on his chest, only for the Mountain to reach up and drag him down. He definitely shattered his teeth though. I luuuurved (in a sick way) Oberyn's teeth skittering over the ring. This ain't know tragically romantic death. It's vicious. Then you see his half toothless mouth screaming in pain afterward. It was beyond brutal, but really brought home his utter fall due to his hubris and desire for revenge. Ya I caught that bit about the Hound "slowing up" since he got bit. I am already getting sad thinking his end is just sitting on his neck. Loved Arya's laugh, just so much going on there. Laughing and Sander, at the absurdity of it all, and again plays into that good beetle scene. Liked Tyrion admitting it made him feel normal to good on his cousin as well. Just a lot of good characterization going on there, and ya I got a Coen Brothers vibe too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Harry Lime's example with Silence of the Lambs and people who get worked up about the beetle dialogue is spot on. Jesus, and then you complain about the Unsullied... It's on par with other often-praised dialogues in the series. It's just that we were obviously desperate for the duel (rather understandable). I rewatched the episode, and my only nitpick remains the same: how the hell are we having Arya at Braavos at the start of next season (to the end of this one is pretty impossible now)? Anyone's guess is as good as mine? Maybe they change it so that Sandor decides to ransom Arya off in Essos. They'll head to a dock in the Eyrie and he'll die there, maybe at Arya's hand. She leaves from there to Braavos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaffsAtBookReaders Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Harry Lime's example with Silence of the Lambs and people who get worked up about the beetle dialogue is spot on. Jesus, and then you complain about the Unsullied... It's on par with other often-praised dialogues in the series. It's just that we were obviously desperate for the duel (rather understandable). I rewatched the episode, and my only nitpick remains the same: how the hell are we having Arya at Braavos at the start of next season (to the end of this one is pretty impossible now)? Anyone's guess is as good as mine? Todays episode was not the finale my friend lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperoreddy Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Maybe they change it so that Sandor decides to ransom Arya off in Essos. They'll head to a dock in the Eyrie and he'll die there, maybe at Arya's hand. She leaves from there to Braavos. I am starting to think she leaves the Hound to end the season, but doesn't actually get on the boat until the beginning of next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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