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How would you rate episode 408?

How would you rate episode 408?  

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  1. 1. What's your rating from 1-10, with 10 being the highest/best

    • 1
      12
    • 2
      11
    • 3
      10
    • 4
      17
    • 5
      25
    • 6
      44
    • 7
      82
    • 8
      152
    • 9
      252
    • 10
      221


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Would've been a 9 for me, but I bumped it to 10 to compensate for the people who voted 1 or 2 because GRRM never wrote about beetles.

That's okay. I've dropped mine to a 5 just to balance things out. :)

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I voted 7. Previous ratings 9, 10, 9, 8, 7, 7, 8, 7.

I miss the snarkiness and witty lines in the beginning of the season.

+ Sansa was the highlight of the episode for me. Loved the hair color and her story full of lies, half truths, and truths. She's come a long way. Husband said, "Damn!" when he saw her new hair and outfit. Absolutely loved everything in the Eyrie scene.

+ Fight scene. I'm sure a lot of effort went into training Oberyn.

+ You're going to fight that? I'm going to kill that.

- Theon and Ramsay. I hate everything about Roose and Ramsay. I wish the Others would spontaneously teleport to Moat Cailin, kill everyone associated with Roose/Ramsay, then teleport back to their plot line. I am sick to death of Ramsay's torture porn and sicko violence.

- Jorah scene. Minus points for him coming off well and Dany coming off worse.

I was actually hoping they would change the plot line so that she never exiles him. He gives her some of the best advice she's ever gotten from anyone.

- Beetle scene. It was long and not that funny.

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10/10.



This episode was mind-blowing, when it ended I watched the credits in utter shock. Very good. Pedro Pascal was unbelievable and the whole duel scene definitely fulfilled my expectations. As for other scenes, Jorah's banishment was done nicely, I liked Emilia's acting and of course Iain Glen was incredible (as always); Moat Cailin was pretty good, I especially liked the shot of Bolton company arriving at Winterfell after that; I did not mind the Grey Worm and Missandei romance and I found it quite entertaining (more than the invented material around the Craster's Keep); I was just a little bit confused about Littlefinger being completely at the mercy of Sansa, but it wasn't a big issue and I was very happy to see Sansa's new look; I am not extremely enjoying Arya and Hound scenes, mainly because they are really trying to put a little bit of comedy into the show and it doesn't always work for me (the laughter and the jokes); but with this episode, they definitely delivered.



A very well-done episode, with the duel scene and all the actors' performances in it being the ultimate highlight.




Episodes 1-8: 7;10;8;9;10;8;9;10/10.


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I'd like you to clarify the bolded part of your post for me, please. Are you actually saying that there can't be affection between a man and a woman without sexual desire?

As I said, you can feel a sense of affection for a cute little puppy without there being any sexual desire there. Friends and relatives can also love and care about each other greatly and feel a great amount of affinity and attachment... but an actual relationship between a hetrosexual or homosexual couple absolutely requires an element of sexual desire. That's not necessarily limited to physical lust however. Someone can seem like a desirable mating partner because of their outgoing and confident personality or their social standing, even if they're not immediately desirable at a glance.

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Would've been a 9 for me, but I bumped it to 10 to compensate for the people who voted 1 or 2 because GRRM never wrote about beetles.

Book purists are being a bit ridiculous when rating this episode.

From start to finish this episode was gold. If I have one criticism it is that I found Emilia a little wooden, other than that it was one great scene after another.

Yes LF was at Sansa's mercy, unlike in the books, but LF of the show isn't anywhere near as intelligent or subtle than book LF so it is somewhat in character. Yes Sansa surprised us all, but I bet we are seeing WOW Sansa rather than some dreadful character destruction.

Turning to the beetles story, it wasn't in the book, but it could have been as the message fits both show and book.

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I gave the episode a 6, but in retrospect it should have been higher.



I LOVE LOVE LOVE every moment of the scenes with Arya and the Hound. It's tough knowing that they are going to come to an end, although I do want more Bravos.



I really liked the scenes in the North, particularly the Bolton father-son moment. Also like the Reek-Ramsay bits.



I highly approved of all the scenes in the Eyrie, and I aprove of Sansa coming clean about her identity, although I am interested to see where that is going. I found the final scene between Sansa and Littlefinger a little creepy but possibly in a good way.



I liked the duel although I confess to covering my face during the head explosion.



Somewhat puzzled by the beetles, but the dynamic beween Jaime and Tyrion is great. I'll take as much as I can get.



The only thing I really didn't like was the Missandi-Grey worm bit mostly because, as others have mentioned, there is so much other great material to cover and it just seemed like it was written in for the gratuitous nudity.








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I voted 8 because I think they could have (And have before) done better with Tyrion's and Arya's scenes. I didn't really like the laugh reaction, or at least how it played out, and logically it didn't make sense that they wouldn't tell Littlefinger hey Arya Stark is out here with the Hound. I suppose they could do that next week but the two of them escape somehow...Still seems kind of weird.



Tyrion's scene had a message that could've been conveyed a bit better and more succinctly.



The rest was great. Pascal was awesome, and as someone who doesn't care at all for Sansa in the books I find her story much more interesting on the show, as in I can actually tolerate it. Was pumped to see Dolorous Edd and Pyp get some lines, and Iain Glenn did a pretty great job in that scene as well.


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656 votes, 8.14 average, 9 median, 8.37 normalized average.

An overview of the forum's voting for this season:

Episode 1: 8.18

Episode 2: 8.41

Episode 3: 6.98

Episode 4: 7.78

Episode 5: 7.40

Episode 6: 8.76

Episode 7: 8.28

Episode 8: 8.14

Average to date: 7.99, which if it maintains (I suspect and hope it will improve on it) will make it the third highest rated season of the show according to the forum.

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I gave *this episode* a '1', not the season, and not the series as a whole. I didn't "officially" rank seasons 1-3, but I'd say my "average" impression of GOT is in the 7-10 range.

I'm not a professional reviewer, so I only watch programs I like, and I watch very little tv (<5 hrs week), and this is the only show I like enough to go to a web forum and discuss/rate. So, basically, any rating I give an episode is relative to previous GOT episodes and the few other shows I've watched in the last few years.

And as to D&D shitting on somebody's floor -- I don't disapprove of changes being made, and I have liked some of their changes, and other I haven't liked but understood why they had to be made, but overall, I find that the weakest scenes are ones that are solely the show's invention -- not because they are changes, but because GRRM is a better writer than the rest. D&D contracted for an adaptation, not general permission to write their own fanfic in GRRM's world, so I'm not interested in their "legacy" of stories they'd like to tell in his world, but in how well they *show* me the story I've already *read*.

Fair enough, and I appreciate the fleshed out response.

But my point is, D&D aren't doing a verbatim adaptation, so you may as well get over that--for the sake of your own viewing pleasure; not as me, some stranger, telling you what to do.

What's more, while you may not like every change they've made -- nor have I -- I think it's unfair to say that EVERY one has been a poor decision, simply by default. IMO, D&D have had far more wins than losses when they've added scenes or storylines that were not in the book. Making Bronn a more prominent character...having Jaime show up earlier, so there's more interaction with Tyrion...Shae's actual love for Tyrion -- and vice versa -- blowing up in their faces, as he's trying to protect her...Stannis' trip to Braavos...tying up loose ends with the mutineers, et al.

It's unfair to bemoan the changes you dislike, without factoring in the ones that were clearly entertaining and/or integral.

At any rate, a "1" just seems absurd.

Such a low score means that you literally sat there falling asleep, or wanting to claw your eyes out and stab your eardrums, and wanted 53 minutes of your life back upon its conclusion.

If you came away with that feeling after 4 x 08, then I feel bad that you're not enjoying what 90% of us on here are...

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Fair enough, and I appreciate the fleshed out response.

But my point is, D&D aren't doing a verbatim adaptation, so you may as well get over that--for the sake of your own viewing pleasure; not as me, some stranger, telling you what to do.

What's more, while you may not like every change they've made -- nor have I -- I think it's unfair to say that EVERY one has been a poor decision, simply by default. IMO, D&D have had far more wins than losses when they've added scenes or storylines that were not in the book. Making Bronn a more prominent character...having Jaime show up earlier, so there's more interaction with Tyrion...Shae's actual love for Tyrion -- and vice versa -- blowing up in their faces, as he's trying to protect her...Stannis' trip to Braavos...tying up loose ends with the mutineers, et al.

It's unfair to bemoan the changes you dislike, without factoring in the ones that were clearly entertaining and/or integral.

At any rate, a "1" just seems absurd.

Such a low score means that you literally sat there falling asleep, or wanting to claw your eyes out and stab your eardrums, and wanted 53 minutes of your life back upon its conclusion.

If you came away with that feeling after 4 x 08, then I feel bad that you're not enjoying what 90% of us on here are...

nro1 as the 53 minutes is gone from my life and I aint never gettin it back.

thou I wish I'd instead spended it reading the proper story over n over again.

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That's okay. I've dropped mine to a 5 just to balance things out. :)

Did you see the ‘Inside the Episode’ for E8?

Dave and Dan explained that they wrote this dialog:

Tyrion: See that cockroach? Tomorrow morning, I'll be dead and it'll be alive. It'll have more contact with Tommen and Cersei than I will. I'll be nothing, and it'll be alive.

[Jamie smashes the roach]

Jamie: Now you got the edge on him.

But, Peter Dinklage and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau ad-libbed something else.

With apologies to

Stanley Kubrick

Ralph Meeker

Timothy Carey

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Fair enough, and I appreciate the fleshed out response.

But my point is, D&D aren't doing a verbatim adaptation, so you may as well get over that--for the sake of your own viewing pleasure; not as me, some stranger, telling you what to do.

What's more, while you may not like every change they've made -- nor have I -- I think it's unfair to say that EVERY one has been a poor decision, simply by default. IMO, D&D have had far more wins than losses when they've added scenes or storylines that were not in the book. Making Bronn a more prominent character...having Jaime show up earlier, so there's more interaction with Tyrion...Shae's actual love for Tyrion -- and vice versa -- blowing up in their faces, as he's trying to protect her...Stannis' trip to Braavos...tying up loose ends with the mutineers, et al.

It's unfair to bemoan the changes you dislike, without factoring in the ones that were clearly entertaining and/or integral.

At any rate, a "1" just seems absurd.

Such a low score means that you literally sat there falling asleep, or wanting to claw your eyes out and stab your eardrums, and wanted 53 minutes of your life back upon its conclusion.

If you came away with that feeling after 4 x 08, then I feel bad that you're not enjoying what 90% of us on here are...

I know it's not a verbatim adaptation -- I've said in several posts that I don't want a video version of an audiobook. But I'd like it to be the same story. You were the one who suggested D&D wanted to tell their own story, and that's what I don't want. I want them to tell George's story on television. That means I don't want them changing fundamental things (like switching Robb & Jeyne with Robb and Talisa), but that I wholly approve of adding the Ramsay & Theon scenes into Season 3.

And yes, what you described is essentially how I felt about the episode. We had a two week wait, the show named the episode after the participants in one of the most awesome scenes from the books, and which the show has done an excellent job building up to over the past seven episodes. So, yes, I had high expectations and hopes. What I got was 30 or minutes of low-grade filler mixed with 10 minutes of good-great scenes (Moat Cailin and the Eyrie) and then when the show *finally* makes it to King's Landing we get 5 minutes of Tyrion and Jaime babbling, and then finally the combat, which was completely unsatisfying to me -- it felt cheap and rushed, it did NOT feel epic, and I wanted epic.

When I rewatched the show (I always watch twice before voting), I actually skipped 75% of the show because it wasn't worth the time to watch, something I haven't done since season 2.

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