RoamingRonin Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) All the more reason to want to see a lot of it in the show. They're going to show more violence, of course, but I get the feeling StanStans are still going to be disappointed. Did anyone else get the sense that when Aemon Targaryen was talking about the girl that he loved that it was the Queen of Thornes? I was thinking Jenny of Oldstones. Olenna isn't that old. Edited June 9, 2014 by RoamingRonin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark the Red Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) I thought this episode was fantastic. So did a lot of my sullied friends who watched it. I am a Stannis fan. It accomplished excellently what I felt it needed to accomplish: (a) Establish that Jon Snow AND the Night's Watch have true grit; the Oath Recitation under the gate as the Giant approached was excellent TV and story telling. I absolutely loved Samwell's line to Gilly about "Keeping promises to my brothers is what men do." Especially in light of recent events.....(b_) Wildings are savage and WILL kill everyone(c) Samwell Tarly is becoming more of a man; despite all the hate on this thread I like what they are doing with Sam: I believe Sam to be the most relatable character for most of the people who watch the show. Overweight, timid, but bookish and intelligent. I'd wager HBO has done some market analysis on this and I'd wager a lot of people really like Samwell and Gilly. I sure do. All my unsullied friends do too. They are relatable and based on the characterization of Samwell I believe great things are in place for him in WOW and ADOS. To be honest, I find Samwell infinitely more likeable than Sansa, Littlefinger, Brienne but thats a whole other thread.(d) Dramatic death of Yrgitte; very well done and all my friends teared up. Mission accomplished by D&D. Very well done.(e) The Night's Watch won the battle BUT at too great a cost(f) Giants are totally awesome. I like Stannis a lot, but I feel all the criticism of him not being in this episode was unfounded. This episode was about the Night's Watch. Period. Full Stop. Stannis is NOT part of the Night's Watch. This is almost exactly how it played out in the books too. There is plenty of time for next episode for Stannis to save Jon's bacon. If I recall, the whole battle of the wall with Stannis was like a page or two in the book; why does it need to be a 30 minute spectacle anyway? Plus all we saw of Stannis in the book was the following day when Melissandre takes Jon to the top of the wall with Stannis. That conversation between Jon and Stannis on the wall was infinitely more interesting to me than the actual battle of the wall. Also, just because Tywin is getting capped next episode why does this diminish the fact Stannis saves the Watch any more? I am bittersweet for the Tywin scene because we are going to lose one the most compelling actors on the show (Charles Dance) and at the same time we are going to lost one of the most uninteresting actors on the show (Sibel Kikelli). I hope the Tyrion strangulation scene is awesome. I have been looking forward to it for 3.3 seasons worth of shows. God I hate Shae. This was an excellent episode. I liked it more than the Blackwater because the good guys won this one. Fantastic TV. PS: I watched the surprisingly good Godzilla movie this weekend and I found this episode even better in terms of special effects. No small statement that. Edited June 9, 2014 by Mark the Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLittleFinger Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Did anyone else get the sense that when Aemon Targaryen was talking about the girl that he loved that it was the Queen of Thornes? Yes, mostly for the laughs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Bean Corbray Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I've read people saying that the showrunners could have screwed up because maybe Grenn and Pyp might have had huge roles to play later in the books. It's not like the showrunners don't have the author as the co-executive producer who has given them the plot outline. Or they can just have their future book roles consolidated with Edd on the show. Since Edd should be getting more screen time and dialogue anyway. :cool4: It's nice to have Jon's whole clique around but in terms of filming the show, having too many of them takes away from all of them. Grenn and Pyp die heroes deaths and Edd becomes Jon's main Lieutenant dude (especially once Sam leaves for Maester College). Works for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyJoe Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Yeah I think Sam was a highlight of the episode, he's really coming into his own, and he had some great one liners. I love Sam and Gilly and people here are calling it filler because their favorite character, Stannis, wasn't featured. Terrible. 50 minutes of fighting would be bad television without the character scenes to actually make viewers care. Also Tormund was a total beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerArthurHeath Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Quote from aFfC: "Why do you think Maester Aemon was sent to the wall when by all right he was to become an archmaester?" I highly doubt it was his own choice.Doesn't the new Awoiaf reading imply at least that Aemon and BR went to the wall by choice, possibly to ensure they couldn't be used against Egg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLittleFinger Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Yeah I think Sam was a highlight of the episode, he's really coming into his own, and he had some great one liners. I love Sam and Gilly and people here are calling it filler because their favorite character, Stannis, wasn't featured. Terrible. 50 minutes of fighting would be bad television without the character scenes to actually make viewers care. Also Tormund was a total beast. Down with Tormund up with Thorne! At least nobody tells him to shut up when he's telling a cool story. :crying: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Yes, mostly for the laughs. LOL He's old enough to be her father! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotpie Targaryen Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 You are 100% correct. D&D crazies keep painting Stan fans are lunatics and whatnot.They don't have to paint you as anything. You ranting like a spoiled child all through the thread pretty much does that on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernmonkey Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I like Stannis a lot, but I feel all the criticism of him not being in this episode was unfounded. This episode was about the Night's Watch. Period. Full Stop. Stannis is NOT part of the Night's Watch. This is almost exactly how it played out in the books too. Spot on, you've absolutely nailed it. This episode was about the brotherhood of the Night's Watch and it was bloody brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Yeah I think Sam was a highlight of the episode, he's really coming into his own, and he had some great one liners. I love Sam and Gilly and people here are calling it filler because their favorite character, Stannis, wasn't featured. I am not a fan of Stannis at all and still though it was filler. I don't care about Sam's love life, especially when it is written so badly as it was in this episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyJoe Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I am not a fan of Stannis at all and still though it was filler. I don't care about Sam's love life, especially when it is written so badly as it was in this episode. Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockroi Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Just rewatched the episode - How anyone can give that below an 8 is beyond me. I think my point is that you can give the episode an "8" and still maintain valid, objective criticisms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargarax Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 For the first time, I have to agree that the show doesn't really do Stannis justice. I'm not at all a fan of Stannis, and I'll hate him even more if LS gets cut because Stannis will be given too much screen time in 10 ;) But he is one of the most interesting characters of books 4 and 5, whether you like him or not, and his plotline was set up very, very poorly this season. Still, let's wait for next week until we give up on the show's treatment of Stannis. Next week will decide much about the show anyway - depending on what they cut or include, the finale could save or ruin the whole season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainBow Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I don't know why, but the deaths of the two giants bothered me much more that it should have D:Damn, I really feel sad about their deaths.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 It would be cool to see Mance getting on his horse in his raven helm and riding off to get captured, or Godry Farring killing a fleeing giant, or Harma Dogshead going down. I don't think they will include Godfry. They did not include Donal Noye, I can't imagine Godfry being included. Best I hope for is Richard Horpe (since he is one of Stannis' chief advisers in ADWD), but I doubt that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I don't know why, but the deaths of the two giants bothered me much more that it should have D: Damn, I really feel sad about their deaths.... I wanted to hear the guys firing the ballista sing "The Last of the Giants" as they killed him. Call me cruel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkaggCannibal Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I am not a fan of Stannis at all and still though it was filler. I don't care about Sam's love life, especially when it is written so badly as it was in this episode. Glad it isn't just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggsy Cyvasse Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Did anyone else get the sense that when Aemon Targaryen was talking about the girl that he loved that it was the Queen of Thornes? She said the person she seduced wasn't a Targ- I don't think Aemon is the type to never notice in the subsequent 70 years since then, that his true love never loved him. Plus I think Aemon is a little bit older than Q.O.T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 So many questions. Why sacrifice two Giants to try to get through the gate instead of supporting them with a couple of hundred wildlings? Why does the second giant charge in by himself? Where are the other wildlings? I understand this was a "probe" by Mance but even so... A few more men and the the gate would have been taken and the Night's Watch slaughtered.Where are all the other men of the NW? Are they really down to 100 dudes in this show? Who is manning the other castles? Are there even other Castles? Are there no other gates through the wall in the show version? Also, how do you get smashed face first into an anvil, gush blood, and then walk away with everything intact? How does a little kid with a shitty bow kill a wilding with armor on? What happens to Thorne? He gets sliced a bit, two guys drag him off and he isn't seen or heard from again. Why are the wildlings attacking Castle Black so uncoordinated? What was the fucking plan there?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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