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How would you rate episode 409?  

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  1. 1. What's your rating from 1-10, with 10 being the highest/best

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More like "when is anything going to happen to propel the story forward significantly?" And right when those few things do happen the book ends. More happened in the first half of Storm than Feast/Dance combined. They're not bad books, but they do drag.


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More like "when is anything going to happen to propel the story forward significantly?" And right when those few things do happen the book ends. More happened in the first half of Storm than Feast/Dance combined. They're not bad books, but they do drag.

Yeah, they drag; but great dialogues and character moments are just as interesting (for me) as game-changing events. AFFC is one of my favorites.

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It's the penultimate episode. I don't know why people were expecting the ending scene to be super climactic and final.


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It's the penultimate episode. I don't know why people were expecting the ending scene to be super climactic and final.

Because the whole episode was basically a self-contained story. A self-contained story without a resolution is not satisfying.

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Episode 9: actually pretty good on the whole, although it's hard for me to judge action-y stuff. The

mammoths and giants were cool. The dialogue was decent, with a bit too much whispering. I like the way

they have AT show some leadership and even take a sort of a stab at being statesmanlike. On the debit

side, Jon's leadership was downplayed at a time when he should be coming into his own (part from the

end), and I found the J-Y scene rather rushed. Showing Y's conflicted feelings worked well, though. I

guess I'll give it a 9; it helps that they stayed focused instead of hopping about.

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I guess I didn't like it because the strategy was so stupid ie unrealistic. There should never have been sword fighting out in the open. BW and Book Wall made sense. This was just a bunch of nonsense.

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I don't understand how people can criticize this episode (and the show in general) for not closely adhering to the books, then complain that Stannis' arrival was the next day, which in fact, does adhere to the books. The books clearly set Jon & co. defending the Wall and Stannis' arrival as two separate moments, and the show follows that.



I thought the decision to have a simultaneous north/south attack on the Wall/Castle Black was brilliant.



The bouncing back and forth between the castle and the Wall was great, kept the tension moving.



My giving the episode a 10 had nothing to to with "Awesome violence, bro!" and everything to do with the nonstop tension, excellent editing, writing, and acting from start to finish. (Okay, the violence was cool, too!) :)

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I went with 9, as high as I've rated.

Not much I can say that hasn't been said...

Off toppic here, but as an (primarily)unsullied it bothers me we haven't had anything about Walder Frey since all his scenes in s03e10 ...

I look forward to the finale.

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Loved the episode! The real enemy has always been north of the Wall.(And I don't mean the wildlings)

10 out of 10. Would have given it like 15 out of 10 if they had not killed of Pip AND Grenn! One of them dead is enough of an emotional blow!

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I finally watched the episode last night as I was kinda put off by the fact that the rest of the battle was pushed to episode 10.



Still a very good episode. I wish I hadn't been spoiled on Pyp/Grenn's deaths though. Would've made it even better. It's like they decided to get rid of some of Jon's group since Stannis would be showing up very soon.


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Ratings from elsewhere, just FYI.

IMDb

7735 weighted average vote of 9.5 / 10

What's odd here is this is about ~ 5000 less voters less than episode 8, thought that was odd till went back and looked at earlier episodes, some range from over 10,000 to ~6000... a little at loss to square this with the ~ 8 million + totals for fist night showings. O well. I do think the NBA finals put a hit on the show. The TONYS award show must have had soke influence too.

Still total USA first showing and second are holding at ~ 8 million, HBO may finish with a record breaking season.

(The NBA seems to have snookered HBO the MEMORIAL DAY skip thing, but I see HBO continuing this formula.)

Rotten Tomatoes, taken with a grain of salt gave The Watchers on the Wall a 93 , only 33 reviewers this time, not clear why the aggregate of critics ranges from ~ 40 to ~30+ when seems all those reviewers no included , who were included before, did write reviews... a puzzle.

Since there were 3 (0 scored reviews out the 33) I read those. Actually RT should rate the reviews in fractions of 1, since all three of the 'rotten reviews' mostly were positive.

For the 'negative' reviews it seemed to come down to a comparison of Watchers with Blackwater... since they are both battles. Points were subtracted for there not being an 'end'. Blackwater had a beginning, middle and end...

(I have got say this episode surprised me too ... since they saved the Battle for the Wall's ending for today... even with more time... things are going to get jammed.)

Positive reviewers , which was most of the critics, like that the episode had character driven events and was not all sword.

HBO and D&D must have some Iron Clad circle they draw around an episode's ~60 min. , and I still don't see the rational for it.)

I did not notice anyone mentioning , what to my eye, looked like last min. editing problems , a technicality but bothered me.

By the by I notice that RT carries an overall non-critic users rating for the season, but not per episode.

My usual note that Myles McNutt's lengthy reviews at Cultural Learnings is always an aesthetic profit because of the extensive analysis behind the critical assessment.

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After a couple of rewatches this is honestly one of the greatest episodes in the entire series. It is an amazing tribute to the Night's Watch and is just flat out fun to watch. It honeslty felt more like a movie than a TV show. What's sad is that the rating for the episode is being weighed down by the absence of Stannis. If he were in this episode then I truly feel like it would be among the top 5 highest rated episodes of the entire series on these threads. Although it felt weird the first time watching it, saving Stannis for the finale was the right decision. This episode is about the Night's Watch not Stannis the Mannis.


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