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I love this show! I started watching it before I read the books and it was Joffrey's death that prompted me to finally start reading. Unfortunately, I read about the defence of the Wall before I saw this episode. What a crummy episode! In about an hour they crammed every Hollywood action movie cliché into ASoIaF. The crap between Jon and Igrette was ridiculously overblown and the casting of Ser Allser as a capable and believable battle commander contradicted everything that we saw about the character up to that point.


Overall, even after reading the books I am very impressed with a Game of Thrones (The Mountain and the Viper was perfect), but this single episode was poor and well beneath the standards set for the rest of the show.


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I love this show! I started watching it before I read the books and it was Joffrey's death that prompted me to finally start reading. Unfortunately, I read about the defence of the Wall before I saw this episode. What a crummy episode! In about an hour they crammed every Hollywood action movie cliché into ASoIaF. The crap between Jon and Igrette was ridiculously overblown and the casting of Ser Allser as a capable and believable battle commander contradicted everything that we saw about the character up to that point.

Overall, even after reading the books I am very impressed with a Game of Thrones (The Mountain and the Viper was perfect), but this single episode was poor and well beneath the standards set for the rest of the show.

I have to agree with this completely. Still LOVE the show, this episode really failed me.

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Wanted to see Stannis's arrival on the wall but looks like they are going to extend that to the season finale.

Also, why are these episodes ending nearly 10 minutes early?

10 minutes early?

I thought this episode was amazing.

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10. This is one of the best episodes they've ever done. (and omg that Giant w/ the bow and arrow kill!) I still wish Stannis would've gotten to save the day at the end of this episode, but it was too solid for me to completely fault it.


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It was just incredible in every sense. It didn’t have the eloquence and poetic dialogue of blackwater nor the absence of it such as seen in hardhome; it was gritty and momentous. It felt as if every line carried the story forward such as Allisers speech or the Wildling preparation, that were spoken so powerfully and acted so well they almost make you want to get up off your ass and fight. The way they changed Alliser from a snivelling rude mentor to one of the most badass characters in the show in an instant was just astonishing. And you could feel when a line could foreshadow a turning point like Grenn’s vow or Styrs maniacal laugh when he sees Jon. The camera work is some of the best in cinema as well. In the countyard with the near 360 panorama it gave us an oversight of one of the most complicated battles in the series and the fire engulfing castle black gives you a sense of claustrophobia like there is no end. The transitions between the fighting beyond the wall and behind it were seamless, with Jon being the medium and the plot center. Also the props, sound effects, special effects, the magnificence of seeing a mammoth made everyones jaw drop, the almost utter confusion of seeing the scythe being released, the chilling sense of fear seeing the clusterfuck of wildlings in the haunted forest and the empty mile long ice wastes between them and the wall with the giant fire in the background foreboding the chaos that is coming. Need I mention the music- those low rumbling horns still send chills down my spine and perfectly reflect the tone of the night and the conflict.

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