Ingelheim Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I didn't feel the epicness the book battle had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aFeastForDragons Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 There was no tension on the top of the wall. Slowly firing arrows and letting barrels go. Not to mention half the Crows were able to abandon their posts to fight below. Worst part was just staring a the giants and mammoth for a few minutes before doing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Melli Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 "Mance is testing our defences." Bitch?! How is sending all your troops south of the wall to siege Castle Black "testing?". "Biggest fire the North has ever seen?" was just a kamikaze move? And what about the 5 climbers? What the hell was Mance expecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 "Mance is testing our defences." Bitch?! How is sending all your troops south of the wall to siege Castle Black "testing?". "Biggest fire the North has ever seen?" was just a kamikaze move? And what about the 5 climbers? What the hell was Mance expecting? I bet Mance (D&D) really wanted to see the scythe move, which is the only reason i think there were only 5-6 people climbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Fire arrows. It's a night battle, and the fire is for viewing pleasure. Regular arrows would've been sufficient. THIS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 The problem with killing both Grenn and Pyp is going forward there is going to be no one at the Wall the audience cares about or even recognizes except Jon Snow. Sam and Aemon will be gone. Edd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aFeastForDragons Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 "I'm going to talk with Mance" "Who told you do to that?" "…….shut up Sam, don't question D & D's script!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son1dow Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I think the important parts were fine. I just don't enjoy the sex & women talk filler - they weren't in the books and they add nothing to the show. It just feels like they think they have to add them, so they do. But asoiaf is a great story in an of itself, and I think people get it, so why do they think they keep having to create and gloat over love interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 EddThey should have killed him. Edd isn't the real Dolorous Edd anyway, Grenn on the other hand was played by a very good actor, he should have remained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilkSucSouthronKnight Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Agree with many of the nitpics posted, but here's something I really didn't get... TV Mance was quoted as saying "I'm gonna light the biggest fire the North has ever seen." I guess that was his "ace" in TV show, since the TV show has chosen to ignore the Horn of Joramun (which was a fake anyways). So while they're standing atop the Wall this episode, sure enough there's a gigantic fire in the woods before the Wall. Ummmmm- why? The Wall is 700 feet high, and those fires though close were still no-where near the Wall. So the smoke nor the fire serves a purpose in the battle. Actually building fortifications to assault the Wall is probably unrealistic even for a TV show, but you could still use the wood for fire, cover...ANYTHING other than getting smoke in your own armies eyes. The ONLY reasoning I could figure is that the Wildling army started that fire BEHIND them for protection against the undead/WW army they showed at the end of last season. But if that's the case, the TV show blew it because they didn't mention it this episode?! Instead, its all about "we gotta kill dem Crows". No shades of grey here- just straight up good vs. evil. Now maybe when Jon goes to meet Mance in E10 this is made mention, but I think they dropped the ball by not establishing that the Wildling army is more about them fleeing a greater evil than trying to overcome the NW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 They should have killed him. Edd isn't the real Dolorous Edd anyway, Grenn on the other hand was played by a very good actor, he should have remained. I actually kinda prefer show Edd tbh. I'm in the rare minority of people that don't find book Edd hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmure's Floppy Fish Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 So true. Hopefully Mance will mention the Others next episode, because the writers apparently forgot about the invincible undead army pressing at their heelsI know!!! My wife had been watching faithfully with me for the past 4 seasons (but hasn't read the books) and asked my "why are the widlings trying to cross the wall?" I think that was poor writing! They should have shown more back story on the Others and WW! Sure the faithful book readers like myself knew but Unsullied didn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aFeastForDragons Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 They could have at least showed Mance this season. He's like the orcs in LOTR. We don't care about them, we don't want them to win and we want to see them all get run over but the "good" guys. They have absolutely no substance and we have no cause to sympathise with them like in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I actually kinda prefer show Edd tbh. I'm in the rare minority of people that don't find book Edd hilarious. :shocked: :eek: Well, de gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I thought that the fire would be used as a distraction. Everyone is watching this big fires and then the Wildlings launch an assault somewhere else. To bad Dumb&Dumber thought an unrealistic hook was cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I also kept expecting to see some cuts to Mance's army to build tension throughout the season and to remind the viewers that he's got an army, who he is, and why the wildlings are coming South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cayrouse Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Knowing D&D stannis' arrival is probably going to interrupt/ cancel a massive treaty of peace and friendship between the wildlings and the nights watch against the white walkers or something. Instead of the being tge only king who still cared he would end up as the king who doomed the north. well judging by their choices so far anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 :shocked: :eek: Well, de gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum :P Hey no fair :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fourth Head Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 In defence of the decision to show an entire episode devoted to the wall: 1) they did the same on the Blackwater, and thats widely considered to be the best episode ever2) if wildlings vs NW-men is pointless, thats the point- the small mindedness of it all. Like pumping millions into fighting over oil reserves whilst climate change kills ever growing numbers of people. Equally, if this is pointless, so is Stannis vs Joffrey, Robb vs Tywin, Renly vs Stannis etc etc- it's like the Blackwater reenacted, but increasingly transparent in it's pointlessness. The book shares the same message, but the fight was better coordinated and thought out in the books. There's way too much mindless macho sword swinging here. The NW couldn't take the Thenns without some plan. Here, they had none other than Jon and 4 reinforcements, and Ghost being enough to turn the tide. Nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Knowing D&D stannis' arrival is probably going to interrupt/ cancel a massive treaty of peace and friendship between the wildlings and the nights watch against the white walkers or something. Instead of the being tge only king who still cared he would end up as the king who doomed the north. well judging by their choices so far anyway... While also killing all the Crows, burning Jon Snow for being a traitor's brother, raping the Wildling women and castrating and enslaving the Wildling men and forcing them to rebuild the Walls castles. All the while Stannis is sitting around in the King's Tower contemplating an alliance with Roose Bolton and drinking wine. No joke watch S2E01 again. Stannis drinks wine in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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