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[BOOK SPOILERS] Nitpick Without Repercussion

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Only 102 NW defenders (per the dialogue last week)? I'll have to count how many were killed on-screen when I re-watch (if I can bring myself to), but I'm pretty sure it was 30+. It makes no sense that they defeated Tormund and Styr's raiders in hand-to-hand combat given the numbers as presented in the show. Dumb.

Ygritte's death loses a lot with John not killing her (or thinking that he does). That was an unfortunate change.

I thought the logical conclusion of this episode would be the arrival of Stannis - an odd choice, and a lot to cram into next week. Maybe they thought it would be too much like Tywin arriving at the end of Blackwater?

I was underwhelmed with this episode.

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As I remember from the books, there were moments when the Wildlings, at least some of them, treated Jon well, and seemed to be fairly decent people. Mance Rayder took Jon into his tent, played music, introduced him to Dalla; etc. But on the show, all of them glowered at Jon, made fun of him, threatened him and bullied him; except for Ygritte who at least was fairly obvious about wanting to hang around with him. Why on earth would Jon feel any empathy or kindness for these people?

I don't remember the Wildlings slaughtering a village full of innocent people just going about their business in the book; did I forget it or was it another made-up scene for TV?

Well, I don't think they describe any of their raids just because we don't have any POV characters who see them, but the wildlings DO raid villages, kill people, steal their supplies and kidnap women in the books. It's talked about second hand a decent amount.

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Oberyn had his teeth smashed out by a big man, on his back, with one punch. Jon Snow gets his face smashed into an anvil - an anvil for crissakes - by a beast of a large Thenn and doesn't so much as chip a tooth. Makes for action but ridiculous really. His cheek bone would be shattered. Period.

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Only 102 NW defenders (per the dialogue last week)? I'll have to count how many were killed on-screen when I re-watch (if I can bring myself to), but I'm pretty sure it was 30+. It makes no sense that they defeated Tormund and Styr's raiders in hand-to-hand combat given the numbers as presented in the show. Dumb.

Ygritte's death loses a lot with John not killing her (or thinking that he does). That was an unfortunate change.

I thought the logical conclusion of this episode would be the arrival of Stannis - an odd choice, and a lot to cram into next week. Maybe they thought it would be too much like Tywin arriving at the end of Blackwater?

I was underwhelmed with this episode.

Jon doesn't kill her or think he kills her in the books. In fact, he specifically examines the arrow to find that it wasn't one of his own. He has no idea who actually killed her in the books, she just gets hit by some random arrow.

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It was killing me that they let the giant and mammoth close and just watched.

Don't hate the kid as it added a little more to ygritte's death.

Interesting they made Thorne a little more likeable, well see how long it lasts.

Worried about how they pull of next week in 55 minutes.

Also was mad the episode was so short

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Only 102 NW defenders (per the dialogue last week)? I'll have to count how many were killed on-screen when I re-watch (if I can bring myself to), but I'm pretty sure it was 30+. It makes no sense that they defeated Tormund and Styr's raiders in hand-to-hand combat given the numbers as presented in the show. Dumb.

Ygritte's death loses a lot with John not killing her (or thinking that he does). That was an unfortunate change.

I thought the logical conclusion of this episode would be the arrival of Stannis - an odd choice, and a lot to cram into next week. Maybe they thought it would be too much like Tywin arriving at the end of Blackwater?

I was underwhelmed with this episode.

I didn't like how Tywin arrived in the Blackwater episode, felt hella sudden and rushed. I'd rather have a decent length of conversation between mance and Jon and THEN Stannis. Not sure we would have gotten that whti how much time was left in the episode.

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Only nitpick is the runtime. Could've been longer. Don't care about no Stannis because there's next episode. Last years episode 10 was just a tie off until next season. This episode 10 will actually be fun to watch.


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I'm starting to notice a pattern with bad episodes. They all start out bad.



This one had an insane amount of filler at the beginning. Jon discussing sex talk Sam, more Sam & Gilly bull shit, Master Aemon was ok but still filler.



And DA FUCK! Why did the episode just end like that. What just happened..


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Most of my nitpicks are pretty small for this episode. Biggest one is probably the fact that Janos Slynt is like a cartoon character. He's like the bumbling coward from a bad comedy movie, not a dangerous asshole like he is in the book.


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Why did mance only have 2 giants and one mammoth? He could've won the war with three giants and two mammoths.


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I'm starting to notice a pattern with bad episodes. They all start out bad.

This one had an insane amount of filler at the beginning. Jon discussing sex talk Sam, more Sam & Gilly bull shit, Master Aemon was ok but still filler.

And DA FUCK! Why did the episode just end like that. What just happened..

This is one of my biggest nitpicks as well. They could have done the entire battle for the Wall in one episode, Stannis coming in at the end. But they started the episode with stuff that wasn't needed--did we need sex talk with Jon and Sam (no). Did we need Sam and Gilly (gods no). Maester Aemon is always great but it could have been cut or reduced in order to get to the battle faster. And then Ygritte's scene with the Theens and Tormund before the battle when she's talking about arrows and killing Jon. We get it. You're scorned and angry and you plan on killing him. We don't need to be reminded that Jon Snow is on your list of men to kill.

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It was such a little thing, but when Tormund is supposedly being dragged up the staircase by the NW guys to be put in chains, you can clearly see the actor climbing the steps backwards. Now, Tormund's actor is a big guy, so it would be a tall order for two men to drag him up the steps like a sack of potatoes without him helping them, but the visual effect was a little ridiculous, as he was readily climbing the steps even as he was cursing Jon Snow.



Overall, the episode felt too much like Blackwater Part Deux. If Stannis had shown up at the end to save them just as Tywin and the Tyrell forces did in Blackwater, it would have put the comparison over the top.


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Honestly do not know what the fuck D&D were thinking when they decided to kill off Pyp and Grenn. Jon's storyline is screwed now.

lol what? Grenn and Pyp do pretty much nothing in the books. Most of his meaningful interactions are with Sam and other high ranking members of the watch, wildlings, Stannis, etc.

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I just thought of something else, though it's more like a "oh, I wish they had done that" than a nitpick, but I wanted Styr and some other Thenns to survive and get killed by Stannis' men in the next episode. Killing those cannibal fuckers would have earned Stan a few points with the Unsullied


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- First 15 minutes of filler


- Looked like there were 200 wildlings north of the Wall, 5 of whom tried climbing the wall, and another handful escorted 2 giants and 1 mammoth to the gate. Jon Snow explains it away by saying Mance was just testing the defenses, but... c'mon.


- No fire at will. Letting the giants/mammoth get that close and only attacking them twice.


- The ending?!



I thought Ygritte's death and Alliser were both solid, but I honestly don't see how they can wrap up everything in episode 10 (Tyrion, Bran, Arya, Sansa maybe, now the Wall?)


This episode felt like further proof that the writers hate Stannis.


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lol what? Grenn and Pyp do pretty much nothing in the books. Most of his meaningful interactions are with Sam and other high ranking members of the watch, wildlings, Stannis, etc.

Yeah, Jon sends them away to other castles in aDwD anyway so it's not like they're featured a lot. Still :bawl:

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