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I just remember... Mance was in the episode???? Because he's like.. important, right?

Maybe because HBO has done such a great job with mance... is that I didn't even remember if he was there.

This is my only nitpick with this episode. I bet some of Unsullied think Tormund is the king. It's especially a waste because Ciaran Hinds is such a good actor.

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This is my only nitpick with this episode. I bet some of Unsullied think Tormund is the king. It's especially a waste because Ciaran Hinds is such a good actor.

I highly doubt it. Unless they've gone deaf during all the Mance-related discussions. Hell, Tormund even said they're waiting for Mance's orders.

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I expected Ghost kick some ass. Not just to stop and eat one Thenn before disappearing again.

All that CGI for the giants and they couldn't give us three more kills from Ghost?

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Damn tmug



That was a great opinion, and true as far a character development for Jon. Which has been this season's purpose.



I thought the final Ygrette scene showed she wanted to join him more than kill him. Enhancing the "I am your's and you are mine," between themselves before the climb, AKA marriage.



It is too bad people don't get it exactly like the books, otherwise we wouldn't have a show now, because HBO would have dropped it like they did 'Deadwood' and 'Rome'



Although Deadwood was dropped because there was no stability/planning during production, and the damn planes kept interrupting filming on set. Plus Milch(God, Schweringer had awesome dialogue and soliloquies) always wanted to change(Writing) things at the end, from what I heard. A God damn shame we never got to see the end of the Gold Tycoon's character, G. McCoy's character.


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This is my only nitpick with this episode. I bet some of Unsullied think Tormund is the king. It's especially a waste because Ciaran Hinds is such a good actor.

Yup damn shame.

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I highly doubt it. Unless they've gone deaf during all the Mance-related discussions. Hell, Tormund even said they're waiting for Mance's orders.

In shows like GoT, you can't "hear". You have to "see". Mance wasn't even in the episode.

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- First 15 minutes of filler

- Looked like there were 200 wildlings north of the Wall, 5 of whom tried climbing the wall, and another handful escorted 2 giants and 1 mammoth to the gate. Jon Snow explains it away by saying Mance was just testing the defenses, but... c'mon.

- No fire at will. Letting the giants/mammoth get that close and only attacking them twice.

- The ending?!

I thought Ygritte's death and Alliser were both solid, but I honestly don't see how they can wrap up everything in episode 10 (Tyrion, Bran, Arya, Sansa maybe, now the Wall?)

This episode felt like further proof that the writers hate Stannis.

Stannis is not a main character.. He's part of the filler while Danny / Jon develop into the characters that they need to be to finish off the story..

[email protected] know the basic ending do you really think with the limited screen time that they have, that they will develop characters that are not necessary to the main plot?

That's why books are Soooo much better then movies or tv series do to the fact that the author can develop minor characters so much easier. Along with the fact we can get so many more characters in books then movie/tv we would be way overwhelmed..

The Tv series and the book are two different animals its to easy to be disappointed by the tv series comparing it to the books.. I've gotten to the point where i expect things to be pale compared to the book and my expectations have gone way down and im really enjoying the tv series so much more now..

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I highly doubt it. Unless they've gone deaf during all the Mance-related discussions. Hell, Tormund even said they're waiting for Mance's orders.

I just think it's probably hard enough for Unsullied to keep track of all the characters who are actually on screen, let alone only appeared once or twice and is just refereed to from time to time.

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Stannis is definitely NOT a filler character.

If anything, he's a decoy to make us THINK he's a filler character(particularly in books 3/4) when in actuality, he's probably one of the most important characters of the entire series.

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Stannis is definitely NOT a filler character.

If anything, he's a decoy to make us THINK he's a filler character(particularly in books 3/4) when in actuality, he's probably one of the most important characters of the entire series.

I think D&D read the books a bit differently. They definitely see him as the villain.

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I never imagined that D&D could fuck this up, but they did it. To think that I was stupid enough to believe that they would stop the character butchering. Sure the scene is going to be in episode 10 woopde wreaking doo. That's like having Jaime's bath scene in the same episode as the Red Wedding. And it's going to have minimal screentime, we'll get no Winterfell offer this season if ever, everyone forgets that Stannis even saved the Wall and it might even be directed by Alex fucking Graves.


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Man, I've wanted Stannis so damn badly, turning the tide of battle at Sunrise, making a glorious charge. They could have cut the episode right at the charge, with trumpets in background and knights chasing the wildlings down. And then Stannis stops in front of the gate, lifts his visor and looks down to Jon, who is speechless. That would have been awesome, but they wasted that option. Why????????


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I never imagined that D&D could fuck this up, but they did it. To think that I was stupid enough to believe that they would stop the character butchering. Sure the scene is going to be in episode 10 woopde wreaking doo. That's like having Jaime's bath scene in the same episode as the Red Wedding. And it's going to have minimal screentime, we'll get no Winterfell offer this season if ever, everyone forgets that Stannis even saved the Wall and it might even be directed by Alex fucking Graves.

We were all stupid enough to think that D&D would do something good for Stannis.

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I have a fair few things to complain about: Lack of scale or epic feel, no real tension, lack of emotional depth (for me personally at least), a lot of cringeworthy dialogue, flat-out shitty Sam and Gilly scenes, etc. But the thing I really want to discuss, is


NO FUCKING STANNIS!!!


I checked, and this has been the shortest episode of Game of Thrones ever. They had ten minutes already left to put Jon's meeting with Mance and the arrival of Stannis, and they could have taken out the dumb Jon/Sam talk about sex. That would have given them almost fifteen minutes extra time! I understand that the battle spans over more than one night, but when you spend eight bloody episodes building UP to the battle, I expect that was done so the episode could be a complete package, not have some cheap and lazy cliffhanger at the end. The battle ended suddenly, and there was no proper climax.


Now the result of this dumb decision is that Stannis' most heroic and cheer worthy moment will just be an afterthought, quickly wrapped up so we can get more Khaleesi and the funny dwarf, cause gods forbid Stannis gets any meaningful time dedicated to just him.


I think we Stannis fans have now officially earned the right to be pissed the fuck off at D&D, right...?

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I have a fair few things to complain about: Lack of scale or epic feel, no real tension, lack of emotional depth (for me personally at least), a lot of cringeworthy dialogue, flat-out shitty Sam and Gilly scenes, etc. But the thing I really want to discuss, is

NO FUCKING STANNIS!!!

I checked, and this has been the shortest episode of Game of Thrones ever. They had ten minutes already left to put Jon's meeting with Mance and the arrival of Stannis, and they could have taken out the dumb Jon/Sam talk about sex. That would have given them almost fifteen minutes extra time! I understand that the battle spans over more than one night, but when you spend eight bloody episodes building UP to the battle, I expect that was done so the episode could be a complete package, not have some cheap and lazy cliffhanger at the end. The battle ended suddenly, and there was no proper climax.

Now the result of this dumb decision is that Stannis' most heroic and cheer worthy moment will just be an afterthought, quickly wrapped up so we can get more Khaleesi and the funny dwarf, cause gods forbid Stannis gets any meaningful time dedicated to just him.

I think we Stannis fans have now officially earned the right to be pissed the fuck off at D&D, right...?

Totally. Even more infuriating is how some smartypants are like: "Stannis fans stop your bitching he's going to be in the next episode".

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Damn, didn't expect Pyp and Grenn to die. :crying: Atleast Tormund is alive. Ygritte deserved an arrow just for cutting off Tormund's bear story. :P Didn't like cliffhanger, that they've ended up with. I wanted to get ,, Stannis ! Stannis ! Stannis ! '' in this episode. More badass Ghost scenes, would be good.


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My expectations for this one were not too high as I'm not intrigued by The North and its storyline. I could watch an episode that's solely about King's Landing or Meereen, although not everyone would fancy this notion. I say that it's better to keep the multiple storylines structure.

Oberyn had his teeth smashed out by a big man, on his back, with one punch. Jon Snow gets his face smashed into an anvil - an anvil for crissakes - by a beast of a large Thenn and doesn't so much as chip a tooth. Makes for action but ridiculous really. His cheek bone would be shattered. Period.


I noticed this as well.

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NO FUCKING STANNIS!!!
I checked, and this has been the shortest episode of Game of Thrones ever. They had ten minutes already left to put Jon's meeting with Mance and the arrival of Stannis, and they could have taken out the dumb Jon/Sam talk about sex. That would have given them almost fifteen minutes extra time! I understand that the battle spans over more than one night, but when you spend eight bloody episodes building UP to the battle, I expect that was done so the episode could be a complete package, not have some cheap and lazy cliffhanger at the end. The battle ended suddenly, and there was no proper climax.
Now the result of this dumb decision is that Stannis' most heroic and cheer worthy moment will just be an afterthought, quickly wrapped up so we can get more Khaleesi and the funny dwarf, cause gods forbid Stannis gets any meaningful time dedicated to just him.
I think we Stannis fans have now officially earned the right to be pissed the fuck off at D&D, right...?

This! The battle had no climax, it wasn't boring, but Stannis could have saved the day with a heroic charge and this would have been the best ending to the episode.

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Pyp's death affected me a lot more than Ygritte's, which surprised me. Pyp's death was beautifully done, made me cry, while Ygritte's death was underwhelming and emotionally slight. I'm not sure who's to blame for this, but I'm inclined to lay it at Kit's feet. Although he gave a surprisingly good performance throughout the episode, in that moment he fell short. I just didn't feel his pain. He just looked constipated to me.


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Just had this conversation with Unsullied. I'm like "we're not supposed to completely cheer for the NW because the wildings are running from the Others, and they're going to kill them and their families". But HBO hasn't really portrayed that, the wildings are only for the "WANNA KILL CROWS!!!". Fock, HBO. Fock

:agree:

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