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Arya, not Sansa, is the maid that will slay Littlefinger, the savage giant


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I can't understand why people keep theorizing about the third prophecy when we've already seen it come true. Sansa slays the giant, is kissed by Petyr, Petyr teaches Lysa to fly as a wedding present. The other visions related to events in close temporal proximity; it would seem strange if there were to be a long delay before fulfillment of the third.

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I just noticed this description of Jon...

The singer rose to his feet. "I'm Mance Rayder," he said as he put aside the lute. "And you are Ned Stark's bastard, the Snow of Winterfell. "

Jon I, Storm

That could link Jon to the castle built of snow, no? What if snow, in the prophecy should be capitalized? What if castle doesn't literally mean castle but home or fortress or something else?

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I have a theory that the prophesy is about Tyrion's failure to consummate his marriage to Sansa. Sansa is the maid, we know this because she's the same maid as has the serpents in her hair at the feast. Tyrion is the giant, as he's often alluded to be. The castle made of snow is Sansa's innocence, because she's from the North and is "as pure as the driven snow". It could also refer to Winterfell since that's supposed to be what Tyrion gets for marrying Sansa and having a child by her. It's a bit lame, but there have been lamer double entendres in the series. Or maybe it's something that's yet to happen.



I really can't see how two kids fighting in the snow is worthy of prophesy.


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I would love for Sansa to be the one to kill Littlefinger but I don't see the connection between LF and the giant? I agree with The Poster Who Was Promised, all the prophecies occurred in close temporal proximity, I think it was Sweetrobin's doll and the snow Winterfell, which led to Lysa's death.


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I would love for Sansa to be the one to kill Littlefinger but I don't see the connection between LF and the giant? I agree with The Poster Who Was Promised, all the prophecies occurred in close temporal proximity, I think it was Sweetrobin's doll and the snow Winterfell, which led to Lysa's death.

The sigil of House Baelish is the head of the Titan of Braavos.
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There is some possible foreshadowing that Arya will kill Sansa but as I believe I suggested somewhere upthread she will only kill Petyr and not slay Sansa. This passage is what convinced me...

"Didn't you ever have a brother you wanted to kill?" He laughed again. "Or maybe a sister?" He must have seen something in her face then, for he leaned closer. "Sansa. That's it, isn't it? The wolf bitch wants to kill the pretty bird."
Arya IX, Game

UnGregor will slay Sandor because Sandor has no intention of killing his brother and thus he will lose the eventual showdown...

Sandor actively avoided trying to kill his brother at his own peril in Eddard VII, Game. He expressed an intention to kill his brother in Arya IX, Storm. But nothing changed in their relation in the interim. Sandor had no more reason to kill Gregor than when he actively avoided trying to kill his brother.

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Sansa has already slayed the Giant in the castle full of snow. She put it's head on a spike.

My theory of it.

Not satisfying on its own.

But aristocrats are, from the perspective of commoners, potential savage giants. A knight or a lord, if he does not take seriously his duty to defend the weak, becomes a monster. As a spoiled brat, Sweetrobin is a savage giant in the making. He believes in the old stories, but does he want to be a true knight or a giant?

Even Sweetrobin understands that it was wrong to destroy the snow-castle. His excuse is, "It wasn't me, it was the giant." Perhaps the "giant" that Sansa slew was Sweetrobin's bad side.

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Without delving in speculations about obtuses prophecy and instead relying on the narrative, I will ask this:



Arya can't be everywhere and kill everyone and there's only so much pages left in the saga. If Martin writes about Arya killing Petyr, he's not using her for something else in the meantime.



Who seriously thinks Martin will 'waste' Arya for a few chapters of stalking and killing Petyr Baelish, a man she barely knows by sight and currently resides far away of Winterfell or King's Landing, her natural poles of attractions? What payoff does that provide? Martin is not writing fan fiction for the subset of readers who specifically hate Petyr, dislike/are indifferent to Sansa and love Arya. He has a greater tale to tell, and as of ADwD I fail to see how having Arya out of the blue killing Petyr will serve a greater narrative purpose.



It does not strike me as a particularly valuable use of a character.


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Without delving in speculations about obtuses prophecy and instead relying on the narrative, I will ask this:

Arya can't be everywhere and kill everyone and there's only so much pages left in the saga. If Martin writes about Arya killing Petyr, he's not using her for something else in the meantime.

Who seriously thinks Martin will 'waste' Arya for a few chapters of stalking and killing Petyr Baelish, a man she barely knows by sight and currently resides far away of Winterfell or King's Landing, her natural poles of attractions? What payoff does that provide? Martin is not writing fan fiction for the subset of readers who specifically hate Petyr, dislike/are indifferent to Sansa and love Arya. He has a greater tale to tell, and as of ADwD I fail to see how having Arya out of the blue killing Petyr will serve a greater narrative purpose.

It does not strike me as a particularly valuable use of a character.

Above all, I think the George loves the plot twist and the cliffhanger. Through the end of Dance most readers believe that Sansa will exact revenge on Petyr. But at least a few of us (and more since Sansa's last scene in the HBO show) believe that Sansa will ally with Petyr. If Arya somehow learns what Petyr did, I would think killing him would become her primary purpose in life. What other purpose would she have? Riding double on a unicorn with Rickon and flanked by Nymeria and Shaggydog as they lead a host of Northmen to do battle with the Boltons, Freys and the Others? I think not. I believe we need to see an eventual reckoning between the sisters. And I think that could be one of the most compelling scenes in the whole tale. Arya's coming back to Westeros, and if if the past books are any indicator, she has about three years and 3,000 pages to accomplish whatever she needs to accomplish. The tale is only half over.
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I'm thinking neither kill him. Ser Wun Wun caught this:


The

Little Pigeon was not quite a dwarf, but he might have passed for one in a bad light. Yet he strutted about as if he were a giant, with his plump little legs spread wide and his plump little chest puffed out.


Little Pigeon, he trips over the fringes of his bird armor and gets caught by the Red Lamb. The Little Pigeon begs for mercy, saying that he will fetch a large ransom. The Red Lamb just says “I came for blood, not gold”



the one the other boys called Red Lamb, though as yet that one was all ferocity and no technique.




Arya does not fit the description.



LF previously said:





“I’ve never been frightened of shepherds. It’s the sheep who trouble me. Still, I suppose an escort might be in order.”


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I'm thinking neither kill him. Ser Wun Wun caught this:

The

Little Pigeon was not quite a dwarf, but he might have passed for one in a bad light. Yet he strutted about as if he were a giant, with his plump little legs spread wide and his plump little chest puffed out.

Little Pigeon, he trips over the fringes of his bird armor and gets caught by the Red Lamb. The Little Pigeon begs for mercy, saying that he will fetch a large ransom. The Red Lamb just says I came for blood, not gold

the one the other boys called Red Lamb, though as yet that one was all ferocity and no technique.

Arya does not fit the description.

LF previously said:

Arya was a sheep when Gregor had her.
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Arya was a sheep when Gregor had her.

She does not have all ferocity and no technique. When she kills it's not with ferocity except for the OOC Tickler and she does have technique since she has been trained.

For example I doubt it's Ramsay but he's one who would fit that description. Timett was proposed but I'm not sure on that.

ETA: Plus, Arya being a sheep or mouse in Harrenhal refers to her state of being at the time. By TWoW she is no longer a sheep or a mouse.

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She does not have all ferocity and no technique. When she kills it's not with ferocity except for the OOC Tickler and she does have technique since she has been trained.

For example I doubt it's Ramsay but he's one who would fit that description. Timett was proposed but I'm not sure on that.

ETA: Plus, Arya being a sheep or mouse in Harrenhal refers to her state of being at the time. By TWoW she is no longer a sheep or a mouse.

So you're saying that the little pigeon is Petyr, who is foreshadowrd to be killed by someone who is ferocious but with little technique? But doesn't Tyrion fit better for the little pigeon?
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So you're saying that the little pigeon is Petyr, who is foreshadowrd to be killed by someone who is ferocious but with little technique? But doesn't Tyrion fit better for the little pigeon?

There is a mention of giant which could refer to both but...

Not quite a dwarf- Tyrion is a dwarf. Petyr is very short but he could be said to be not quite a dwarf. Tripping over the bird armor could refer to Sansa. LF makes more sense than Tyrion.

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There is a mention of giant which could refer to both but...

Not quite a dwarf- Tyrion is a dwarf. Petyr is very short but he could be said to be not quite a dwarf. Tripping over the bird armor could refer to Sansa. LF makes more sense than Tyrion.

Could be I guess. Is that from Barristan I or II in Winds?
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