Cas Stark Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 His sudden death in the TV series destroys all hope's of his possible survival in the WoW :( But we knew his days were numbered, he knows he's not making it home...so it's no surprise, other than he got a totally non heroic death. But I haven't loved the Reeds portrayal in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krutoon Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Did anyone else see the shot of Meera grabbing the knife and think that she was going to kill herself over her brother? .__.Edit: I mean obviously she doesn't in the books, but once Jojen died I wasn't sure what the show was going to have her do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrion Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Weirwood Paste confirmed hehehe Theyve gotten rid of cannibalism in Brans Storyline already with Coldhands feeding them the Nights Watchmen, now theyve gotten rid of the Weirwood paste to unlock Brans powers since Bran already has powers in the show. Very little change. Cant wait till we get some reference in TWOW of how Jojen is inside Bran hahahaha. Show didnt want to do it, but they knew his fate in TWOW, so they killed him off this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jojosh Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 And now that Jojen is dead the show has railroaded brans storyline right off the tracks it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWolvesRemember Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Also, Jojen looked a bit surprised for someone who supposedly knew exactly when and where he was going to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 And now that Jojen is dead the show has railroaded brans storyline right off the tracks it seems Well, Bran is still in the exact same place as he is in the books, and Jojen seemed to be rapidly deteriorating. I don't have a problem with Jojen dying, just Leaf blowing up his body and nobody really reacting to his death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Well, Bran is still in the exact same place as he is in the books, and Jojen seemed to be rapidly deteriorating. I don't have a problem with Jojen dying, just Leaf blowing up his body and nobody really reacting to his death. I only watched the ep ones but I thought that Meera was pretty shattered by Jojen's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I only watched the ep ones but I thought that Meera was pretty shattered by Jojen's death. Yeah I guess I meant Bran more. They get to the cave and he just seemed pretty over-it. Then again, I guess he was a wee bit distracted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodrobin Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 It seems to show that Jojen's primary role was in simply getting Bran to the cave, and that after he's pretty incidental (or Jojen paste is, God forbid, actually a thing and D&D said, "Fuck that, just kill him before they get to the cave"). Maybe the question you should actually be asking is not, "Why did Jojen die at this point?" but rather, "Why is Meera still alive?" Meera is obviously still alive so that GRRM can write the obligatory sex scene between her and Bran via a warged Hodor. Just kidding...sort of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 lmao this would be incredibly awesome/hilarious, especially considering how many times D&D fucked GRRM's plot points. It would even work IMO, excellent twist/surprise, and would make relative sense (gains Bran's trust and leads him right to the Others' doorstep so they could use his powers to spy for their invasion). But wait, there's more. Pyp and Grenn gets to be King and Queen of the 7k, Irri and Jhiqui unites all the Khalasars, it is know. And finally, Jeyne Westerling had a child, and the houses of the North, the Riverlands, and the Vale of Arryn anounces him as their true king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 But wait, there's more. Pyp and Grenn gets to be King and Queen of the 7k, Irri and Jhiqui unites all the Khalasars, it is know. And finally, Jeyne Westerling had a child, and the houses of the North, the Riverlands, and the Vale of Arryn anounces him as their true king. "I didn't know I was pregnant" Westerosi version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankou Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I never had BBQ paste before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowisnobastard Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 But wait, there's more. Pyp and Grenn gets to be King and Queen of the 7k, Irri and Jhiqui unites all the Khalasars, it is know. And finally, Jeyne Westerling had a child, and the houses of the North, the Riverlands, and the Vale of Arryn anounces him as their true king.Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ra'sAlCool Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I think we can see this as lending some potential support to the Jojenpaste, given that we are now pretty much spoiled on the fact that he (presumably) dies near the weirwood cave with the CotF. This doesn't exactly CONFIRM anything, but it certainly reinforces the theory with the knowledge that Jojen's arc doesn't seem to extend beyond getting Bran to Bloodraven. Since they've removed all of the other various cannibalism references (with Coldhands, etc.), it's safe to assume that they just cut Jojenpaste from the show along with everything else (assuming it's book!canon). I've seen some people interpret his death by Dungeons & Dragons fireball as firm denial of the theory, but I think it really speaks more firmly in favor. It does seem to imply that eating the Jojenpaste isn't absolutely critical to Bran's shamanistic transformation, but that could just be an issue of differing canons. As a personal fan of the Jojenpaste, theory, I choose to interpret the evidence as strong support, if not tacit confirmation, of the theory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Carnahan Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I guess we know now why he saw his own hand burning in episode 4x05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I guess we know now why he saw his own hand burning in episode 4x05 Yeah. Never thought it would turn out to end like that, but from that point on I knew it was only a matter of time until he was cremated somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipsuel Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 ETA: Sorry, guys -- wrong thread :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeturKemur Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I hated the stabbing. Little skeletal wight with its arm still working to stab at someone next to it? Bit daft. Meera giving him mercy was hard to watch (well, more hear) but I'm sure it's going to mean some growth of her character in the show (finally). I'm glad the Children threw their little fireball at him. I couldn't cope with wight-Jojen. That'd be awful. The paste theory will always be terrible and there's mention of him seeing his return Greywater in a greendream and his fate not being good when he does. Either way, it's not happening in the show. I would've liked him to live a little longer but they do need the money to hire more characters elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7swans Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I know the wight stabbed him but didn't Meera slit his throat before the CotF set him on fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mother Of Dragon Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Can someone please explain the skeletons? What is their origin/backgorund? I just started ADWD but i don't mind spoilers at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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