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Drogon’s fire is not as powerful as many people think. Even after he concentrated all his fire on the horse and set it aflame, the horse kept running. The further the target is, the cooler the flames get. This is basic physics and TPatQ complies with it. Majority of the people survived dragon encounters with burns. Drogon is only 3 years old and dragonfire gets hotter with age. Drogon has only a single focus to direct his flames. He cannot burn them all as easy as people think.



Jhaqo and Mago hate Dany but they did not kill her when Jhaqo declared himself a khal. Bloodriders should avenge the khal and after that they should escort the khaleesi to Vaes Dothrak. Drogo’s bloodriders tried to stop Dany allowing blood magic and avenge Drogo by slaying the maegi. Dany killed them and performed blood magic. Dany is highly guilty.



The scout spotted Drogon. I think other scouts spotted him too. Drogon landed to take Dany and he attacked the horse with Dany at his back. The scouts surely saw Dany on Drogon’s back.



If Dany has a nugget of wits left, she cries Drogon to fly away because Drogon cannot slay them all. She first handedly saw what the spearmen could do to him at ground. She knows Jhaqo and his men and what they are capable of. Moreover, they can easily put an arrow to Dany. Perhaps they will threaten her with that. I think Dany will not have the opportunity to get on Drogon and fly. They would sooner put an arrow to her before that and Dany knows that.



Jhaqo and Mago gang raped and killed Eroeh as a mockery and defiance to Dany. I don’t think they are seeking a deal with her, especially after stealing Drogo’s khalassar, his herds and slaves including ones belonging to Dany.



Drogon’s bond with Dany is highly overrated as the power and abilities of Drogon in this forum. The text clearly suggests that the bond is not that strong and Drogon is not a godly weapon.



Everybody is free to think as they like but GRRM specifically wrote the vast herd of Jhaqo and that Drogon had been there before. That means Drogon frequently hunts there. The Dothraki hunt dangerous beasts like hrakkars just for sport and show how brave they are. Drogon is a dangerous beast and he is preying on their precious horses. Jhaqo is hunting Drogon. There is no other explanation to this.



Jhaqo will warn Dany to stay away from Drogon or he would make a hedgehog of her. Dany will obey but not before commanding Drogon to fly away. After Drogon leaves, Jhaqo will take her to VD. It is also possible that Dany herself will ask him to do that because the other option is to be raped and killed.



“To go forward, you must go back” does not mean that Dany decided to go to VD. Dany realized that Mereen is not her home but Westeros is. She saw that Mereen is a dead end. So, she decided to give up being a queen of Mereen and take her father’s throne. It is not related to going to VD. There is no hint for that. Dany followed the scout because she was hungry and there might be a prey nearby because she saw the hunting bow of the scout, which means he was hunting something.


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Dany has some sort of idea/plan for when the Dothraki arrive. I dont believe she was seeking Jhaqo exactly, but she certainly planned something. She was far too calm at the end of the chapter when she stands from her meal and walks to be beside Drogon for this to be unanticipated. Dany plans something here, clearly.

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Drogon’s fire is not as powerful as many people think. Even after he concentrated all his fire on the horse and set it aflame, the horse kept running. The further the target is, the cooler the flames get. This is basic physics and TPatQ complies with it. Majority of the people survived dragon encounters with burns. Drogon is only 3 years old and dragonfire gets hotter with age. Drogon has only a single focus to direct his flames. He cannot burn them all as easy as people think.

Jhaqo and Mago hate Dany but they did not kill her when Jhaqo declared himself a khal. Bloodriders should avenge the khal and after that they should escort the khaleesi to Vaes Dothrak. Drogo’s bloodriders tried to stop Dany allowing blood magic and avenge Drogo by slaying the maegi. Dany killed them and performed blood magic. Dany is highly guilty.

The scout spotted Drogon. I think other scouts spotted him too. Drogon landed to take Dany and he attacked the horse with Dany at his back. The scouts surely saw Dany on Drogon’s back.

If Dany has a nugget of wits left, she cries Drogon to fly away because Drogon cannot slay them all. She first handedly saw what the spearmen could do to him at ground. She knows Jhaqo and his men and what they are capable of. Moreover, they can easily put an arrow to Dany. Perhaps they will threaten her with that. I think Dany will not have the opportunity to get on Drogon and fly. They would sooner put an arrow to her before that and Dany knows that.

Jhaqo and Mago gang raped and killed Eroeh as a mockery and defiance to Dany. I don’t think they are seeking a deal with her, especially after stealing Drogo’s khalassar, his herds and slaves including ones belonging to Dany.

Drogon’s bond with Dany is highly overrated as the power and abilities of Drogon in this forum. The text clearly suggests that the bond is not that strong and Drogon is not a godly weapon.

Everybody is free to think as they like but GRRM specifically wrote the vast herd of Jhaqo and that Drogon had been there before. That means Drogon frequently hunts there. The Dothraki hunt dangerous beasts like hrakkars just for sport and show how brave they are. Drogon is a dangerous beast and he is preying on their precious horses. Jhaqo is hunting Drogon. There is no other explanation to this.

Jhaqo will warn Dany to stay away from Drogon or he would make a hedgehog of her. Dany will obey but not before commanding Drogon to fly away. After Drogon leaves, Jhaqo will take her to VD. It is also possible that Dany herself will ask him to do that because the other option is to be raped and killed.

To go forward, you must go back” does not mean that Dany decided to go to VD. Dany realized that Mereen is not her home but Westeros is. She saw that Mereen is a dead end. So, she decided to give up being a queen of Mereen and take her father’s throne. It is not related to going to VD. There is no hint for that. Dany followed the scout because she was hungry and there might be a prey nearby because she saw the hunting bow of the scout, which means he was hunting something.

so is Dany going to VD or not? I have a hard time understanding what your trying to say. Dany is not going to throw away a kingdom. She will kill JHAGO and take his khallassar. Fly to VD uniting the khals along the way. She will get the Crones in VD to bless her efforts. She will then use the Dothraki to subdue Slavers bay. and take the remainiing contigent of forces to westeros.

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She had not made attempt to ride dragon while they were at Dragonstone, and she left to follow the stream leaving Drogon. "Meereen was not her home and never would be" goes in line with her deciding to revert back to her original plan to take Westeros. She calls Drogon after seeing him, and the burn spots indicate that Drogon was on his regular hunting path as Dany realized.

That's simply wrong. She had ridden Drogon numerous times prior to the start of the chapter:

Mounted on the dragon's back, she oft felt as if she were learning to ride all over again. When she whipped her silver mare on her right flank the mare went left, for a horse's first instinct is to flee from danger. When she laid the whip across Drogon's right side he veered right, for a dragon's first instinct is always to attack. Sometimes it did not seem to matter where she struck him, though; sometimes he went where he would and took her with him. Neither whip nor words could turn Drogon if he did not wish to be turned. The whip annoyed him more than it hurt him, she had come to see; his scales had grown harder than horn.

And no matter how far the dragon flew each day, come nightfall some instinct drew him home to Dragonstone.

She is clearly not describing her first experience riding Drogon. She has evidently made a number of attempts since then, with the same outcome: Drogon will not follow her directions to Meereen.

  • That is not stated anywhere it the text, so there are nothing to draw that conclusion from.

She wants to go back to Meereen, and then to Westeros

Drogon was on his regular hunting path from the looks of it. He went willingly since it was likely the same direction he was going.

  • It doesn't need to be stated, it's all subtext. Dany rejects Meereen, as it is "not her home, and never would be". She then follows the scout back to Jhaqo's khalasar, declaring that "to go forward, I must go back", after which Drogon lets her direct him.

She deliberately changes her path from Meereen. The whole chapter is about her realising that she's going in the wrong direction.

There are many explanations for why Drogon may have obeyed Dany. For me, based on the structure of the chapter, it's intended to show us that Drogon and Dany finally want the same thing again - that's what the whole chapter is about. GRRM has even said in a recent Q&A that the bond between dragon and dragonrider is hugely significant.

It does mean something. The times she didn't mention her future actions, they occurred in the same chapter. Going to VD would be a different chapter in a new book. I am sorry, but there is nothing pointing to Dany wanting to go back to VD. You are saying she made a big decision without any forethought right after seeing a Dothraki scout?

Dany indicated she wants to go back to Meereen, if she willingly goes back to VD she would be abandoning her other two children: Rhaegal and Viserion, along with her army, khalasar, friends and freedmen. She has to go back. I think she likely is going to be dragged back to VD, as GRRM makes the lows low to make the highs higher. He puts his characters in bad situations before they rise higher: Davos was imprisoned before becoming Hand, Jon was in Mance's tent on a suicide mission and with Slynt an impending LC only for Stannis to arrive and himself to be named LC, Tyrion was a slave before likely rising high in Meereen and as Dany's top advisor, and finally, Dany lost her husband and son along with her khalasar before hatching her dragon eggs. As GRRM himself said "things need to get worse before they get better."

Therefore, Dany may likely be in a bad situation in VD before she uses Drogon to unite the khalasars, and be the StMtW.

I'm sorry but where did I state that Dany would not return to Meereen? I said she is abandoning her return CURRENTLY because she has to go back before she can go forward. I mean, I personally don't think she'll ever get to return to Meereen (I think she'll learn of its destruction from Jhaqo or when she's in Vaes Dothrak).

I also agree that Dany will be in a bad position before things get better... I just think that, this time, it'll be part of her intentions. And I certainly don't think she'll be "dragged back". If this was Pono's khalasar I'd perhaps agree with you, but Jhaqo and Mago will want to do far worse to her than just take her back to Vaes Dothrak, and I don't think that's the kind of "low" GRRM has in mind for her.

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so is Dany going to VD or not? I have a hard time understanding what your trying to say. Dany is not going to throw away a kingdom. She will kill JHAGO and take his khallassar. Fly to VD uniting the khals along the way. She will get the Crones in VD to bless her efforts. She will then use the Dothraki to subdue Slavers bay. and take the remainiing contigent of forces to westeros.

I was scanning through the thread and replying to several posts. Dany made up her mind to return to Westeros. But there is nothing to indicate that she was aiming for VD. She was just starving and a prey was nearby. She wanted to feed and then return with Drogon. Maybe she thought that she would be strong enough to sway him to Mereen.

And no matter how far the dragon flew each day, come nightfall some instinct drew him home to Dragonstone.

As the western sky turned the color of a blood bruise, she heard the sound of approaching horses.

This also shows that time for Drogon to return home has come.

So, Drogon will fly away to home expecially after being fired arrows and Dany will be left alone with Jhaqo. To save herself from harm, she will require to be taken to VD.

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I was scanning through the thread and replying to several posts. Dany made up her mind to return to Westeros. But there is nothing to indicate that she was aiming for VD. She was just starving and a prey was nearby. She wanted to feed and then return with Drogon. Maybe she thought that she would be strong enough to sway him to Mereen.

And no matter how far the dragon flew each day, come nightfall some instinct drew him home to Dragonstone.

As the western sky turned the color of a blood bruise, she heard the sound of approaching horses.

This also shows that time for Drogon to return home has come.

So, Drogon will fly away to home expecially after being fired arrows and Dany will be left alone with Jhaqo. To save herself from harm, she will require to be taken to VD.

Ok so I get it now Dany just leaves Drogon in the wilderness and the dragon will return when he is needed. Or, your wrong and Dany uses Drogon because he has finally been tamed and the story can move forward. HHMMMMM?

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I was scanning through the thread and replying to several posts. Dany made up her mind to return to Westeros. But there is nothing to indicate that she was aiming for VD. She was just starving and a prey was nearby. She wanted to feed and then return with Drogon. Maybe she thought that she would be strong enough to sway him to Mereen.

And no matter how far the dragon flew each day, come nightfall some instinct drew him home to Dragonstone.

As the western sky turned the color of a blood bruise, she heard the sound of approaching horses.

This also shows that time for Drogon to return home has come.

So, Drogon will fly away to home expecially after being fired arrows and Dany will be left alone with Jhaqo. To save herself from harm, she will require to be taken to VD.

She has as much control of him as she needs in the last paragraphs of her chapter, when she guides him to hunt and shares food with him

Dany watched him go. When the sound of his hooves had faded away to silence, she began to shout. She called until her voice was hoarse ... and Drogon came, snorting plumes of smoke. The grass bowed down before him. Dany leapt onto his back. She stank of blood and sweat and fear, but none of that mattered. “To go forward I must go back,” she said. Her bare legs tightened around the dragon’s neck. She kicked him, and Drogon threw himself into the sky. Her whip was gone, so she used her hands and feet and turned him north by east, the way the scout had gone. Drogon went willingly enough; perhaps he smelled the rider’s fear.

Their bond now is as strong as the Starks/Direwolves is, he wont leave her. Also, you are really understimating Drogon if you think 50 dothraki are a serious threat to him (reread what he did in the firepit), Dany will most likely use him to take over the Khalasar.

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It is a possible scenario, but with that last chapter I feel Drogon and Danaerys finally connect, aka eating meat together. Plus she has displayed "Targ-madness" before and I reckon it will be a bloody confrontation with Jhaqo. Danaerys wants revenge. And she hates to go to VD.


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My analogy with a dog remains. Dogs aren't totally obedient (unless very well trained) but they'll almost always react very violently if someone attacks their owner.



Drogon lets Dany ride him, and looks out for her, when she's in trouble. It's most unlikely he'll just disappear if the Dothraki attack.



As Helena say, Dany must have some plan in mind, otherwise, she'd have just flown away when the Dothraki approached. By the end of the chapter, she seems to be functioning rationally again, so she must be past the worst of her illness.

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Ok so I get it now Dany just leaves Drogon in the wilderness and the dragon will return when he is needed. Or, your wrong and Dany uses Drogon because he has finally been tamed and the story can move forward. HHMMMMM?

There is nothing to indicate that Dany has finally tamed Drogon. That is your fanwish. Drogon was always comfortable with Dany and her last chapter is not any different.

She has as much control of him as she needs in the last paragraphs of her chapter, when she guides him to hunt and shares food with him

The quote you give means that Drogon was already on a hunt and willing to go to his favourite hunting ground. He didnot mind Dany's guidance.

My analogy with a dog remains. Dogs aren't totally obedient (unless very well trained) but they'll almost always react very violently if someone attacks their owner.

Drogon lets Dany ride him, and looks out for her, when she's in trouble. It's most unlikely he'll just disappear if the Dothraki attack.

As Helena say, Dany must have some plan in mind, otherwise, she'd have just flown away when the Dothraki approached. By the end of the chapter, she seems to be functioning rationally again, so she must be past the worst of her illness.

While Dany was squirting green slime and brown water all over the Dothraki Sea, Drogon didnot stop by to save her, although he flew over her three times.

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Their bond now is as strong as the Starks/Direwolves is, he wont leave her. Also, you are really understimating Drogon if you think 50 dothraki are a serious threat to him (reread what he did in the firepit), Dany will most likely use him to take over the Khalasar.

First of all, that is BS.

Second, you go reread the Daznak's Pit and tell me how many men Drogon killed and how they attacked him.

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There is nothing to indicate that Dany has finally tamed Drogon. That is your fanwish. Drogon was always comfortable with Dany and her last chapter is not any different.

The quote you give means that Drogon was already on a hunt and willing to go to his favourite hunting ground. He didnot mind Dany's guidance.

While Dany was squirting green slime and brown water all over the Dothraki Sea, Drogon didnot stop by to save her, although he flew over her three times.

The final sentences in ADWD is about accepting who she is and learning to appreciate Drogon for what he is, that moment is when the boding is fully completed. She shouts for him and he goes for her, she guides him north and east and he obeys, she goes to eat some of the food and he lets her . Think about it, a giant alpha carnivore is sharing food with a human, Drogon would never let her get even close to the dead horse if they didnt have an incredible special connection.

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First of all, that is BS.

Second, you go reread the Daznak's Pit and tell me how many men Drogon killed and how they attacked him.

The bonding was fully formed in the last sentences of her last chapter in ADWD, I don't care about Daznak or the time she was starving in the desert. The lasts paragraphs are the ones that matter.

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Drogon was hurt in the pit, but not seriously injured. He wasn't even seriously injured when a spearman drove his spear into his neck.

Drogon is not wholly obedient to Dany, but he'll react violently towards people who threaten her.

Neither the Dothraki nor their horses are armoured. What protection will they have against dragonfire?

Hundreds of Dothraki warriors would conceivably be a threat to Drogon. Fifty? I think not.

Wouldn't armour just make them more vulnerable to fire?

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First of all, that is BS.

Second, you go reread the Daznak's Pit and tell me how many men Drogon killed and how they attacked him.

I don't have the book in front of me, but Drogon caused mayhem in the Pit, ripping off arms and legs, breaking the Pit-Master's back with a flick of his tail, burning people, and causing thousands of people to stampede.

The average pit-fighter is probably as proficient in combat as the average Dothraki.

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I don't have the book in front of me, but Drogon caused mayhem in the Pit, ripping off arms and legs, breaking the Pit-Master's back with a flick of his tail, burning people, and causing thousands of people to stampede.

The average pit-fighter is probably as proficient in combat as the average Dothraki.

Not to mention that having horses is going to be a huge disadvantage.

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When i finished DwD i just assumed it would be as simple as Drogon kills everything. But after reading this thread I personally feel that if the situation was going to be resolved as simply as 'Drogon roasts Jhago', then it would have been at the end of DwD, as it solidifies the whole drogon/Dany bond and leaves the story at a point where it can be moved forward in TWoW.



That coupled with the fact that i really want Dany/Drogon to start causing some mayhem, and GRRM usually takes the books in the opposite direction i'm praying for, leads me to believe theres some rough times ahead for Dany.


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It would be terrible writing to waste an entire book that revolves around Dany not accepting who she is and not being able to control Drogon just so she can have a second "controlling her dragon arc" in TWOW. The last scene where she rides Drogon and shares food with him is meant to represent the fact that they are fully bonded now and she controlls him, there is no narrative need to continue the "how to tame your dragon arc".

Yes exactly.

She had not made attempt to ride dragon while they were at Dragonstone, and she left to follow the stream leaving Drogon. "Meereen was not her home and never would be" goes in line with her deciding to revert back to her original plan to take Westeros. She calls Drogon after seeing him, and the burn spots indicate that Drogon was on his regular hunting path as Dany realized.

She had though, After Drogon takes her from Meereen, she stays with him on Dragonstone for days and days, eating his leftovers and flying with him, she says very specifically that he would not take her back to Meereen no matter how much she tried to coax him into it. He knew she did not need to go there. He was saving her from a city where she needed to leave.

There is nothing to indicate that Dany has finally tamed Drogon. That is your fanwish. Drogon was always comfortable with Dany and her last chapter is not any different.

The quote you give means that Drogon was already on a hunt and willing to go to his favourite hunting ground. He didnot mind Dany's guidance.

While Dany was squirting green slime and brown water all over the Dothraki Sea, Drogon didnot stop by to save her, although he flew over her three times.

YOu are right that at first she does not have him tamed. It is not until she walks along the river and leaves him, then changes her mind, screams for him, he comes. And at that Point right there is when he is under her control. Maybe he was trying to make her realize the whole time which way she needed to go....... Either way it is after that when Drogon starts following her directions. Even if that is the way he wanted to go he still was doing what she wanted, they were of one mind at that point. And she was starving, and the first thing he does is get her food. They are fully bonded by then. Do you relaly think they are not? You saw how fast Aemond tamed Vhagar, all it took was one 5 minute ride. Dany has been with Drogon since he was born, has ridden him many times, he comes when she calls, he helps her whenever she needs, and now he is following her flying orders.

The example you posted of her worrying that he was hunting her when he flew over her, that is no big deal, a girl got scared when a dragon flew over her head, seems like a natural reaction, after all she cant hear his thoughts, she is not a warg.

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