Tiggy4Real Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 To be honest the lack of a "gay for the duration" attitude at the wall seemed a bit unrealistic to me. The NW are a bit too noble and starchy for a bunch of thieves and rapists. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 JonTin? Oh god... :shocked:Jatin, the name is Jatin. You have to know the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 There's a thread that listed more than three. There's even a tumbler account dedicated to them I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Jon haters using a few 'Satin' related comments to stir up Jon fans. I wouldn't even be bothered if Jon was bi but I don't think he is. Honestly, I thought most of that stuff came from Jon fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghosts in winterfell Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Jon haters using a few 'Satin' related comments to stir up Jon fans. I wouldn't even be bothered if Jon was bi but I don't think he is. Why do you assume that anyone detecting a homoerotic relationship are haters trying to stir things up? Jon is in my top 5 and I think there's a case to be made for him to be bi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Honestly, I thought most of that stuff came from Jon fans.It actually did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 To be honest the lack of a "gay for the duration" attitude at the wall seemed a bit unrealistic to me. The NW are a bit too noble and starchy for a bunch of thieves and rapists. Well the thing is, there's no duration on the Wall, it's for life. That, and the existence of relatively easily accessible brothels in Mole Town probably cuts back on that a lot. Which isn't to say it doesn't happen, I think there's discreet mention of a gay couple, and one of them mourning the death of the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collis Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I just don't see the need for people to try to force different sexual orientations on characters. Why? But then again I'm the guy who didn't catch during GoT that Renly was decidedly gay. I just thought he was a a more...colorful individual? Simply put, I couldn't care less about anyone's sexual orientation so long as it doesn't affect me, which book characters are not likely to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I just don't see the need for people to try to force different sexual orientations on characters. Why? But then again I'm the guy who didn't catch during GoT that Renly was decidedly gay. I just thought he was a a more...colorful individual? Simply put, I couldn't care less about anyone's sexual orientation so long as it doesn't affect me, which book characters are not likely to do. There's no gay agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Well the thing is, there's no duration on the Wall, it's for life. That, and the existence of relatively easily accessible brothels in Mole Town probably cuts back on that a lot. Which isn't to say it doesn't happen, I think there's discreet mention of a gay couple, and one of them mourning the death of the other.I know the ones you're talking about. That one got my attention as soon as I read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghosts in winterfell Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Jatin's Greatest Hits for those who are curious about all the Jon/Satin hubbub. There's also a passage worth noting in Jon I, AGOT where during the welcoming feast he is rather unimpressed with Queen Cersei, but quite taken with her twin brother, Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Stark Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Well the thing is, there's no duration on the Wall, it's for life. That, and the existence of relatively easily accessible brothels in Mole Town probably cuts back on that a lot. Which isn't to say it doesn't happen, I think there's discreet mention of a gay couple, and one of them mourning the death of the other. Yeah Garth Greyfeather and Alf of runnymud. I am not sure if it is Alf, it may be another nights watchmen i would have to check, but Garth for sure is the one that dies on a ranging along with hairy hal and black jack bulwer. Honestly I think there is alot of dont kiss dont tell, behind closed doors sort of thing. Just because its not laid bare in the text doesn't mean it isnt happening. In correlation to Jon. I don't think he is Bi, just can appreciate a good looking man... I probably could of phrased that better but I think It gets the point across. Though if Jon turns out to be Bi, i wouldnt mind. Although, who is to say Satin is gay. Sure he was a male prostitute, but maybe he had to sell himself to men to earn a living, (could also be a whore for women, we do not know). So Satin may in fact be the one to turn down Jon if indeed Jon makes a pass, that would be quite an awkward exchange. But yes, Jon being Bi, i do not think so, Satin being gay, I think he may be, but we can not be sure. Will a romance occur between the two, we'll find out, after the break (and the release of the upcoming books). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMerciless Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Don't think he is and see nothing in the text that hints at it.Always found it stupid that for a woman to look at another woman and think she is beautiful, or notice her beautiful clothes, or her pleasant smell, or her lovely posture, etc, is ok and nothing that would make the observing woman a homosexual or bisexual woman, but a man to do the same to another man is indicative that there is a tendency for him to be something other than heterosexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrés Garcia Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Much to the dismay of the tumblr hags, there is no reason to think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bedding Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Satin turns out to be a clever female highborn hiding in the NW. Maybe even a princess. Arya did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Yeah Garth Greyfeather and Alf of runnymud. I am not sure if it is Alf, it may be another nights watchmen i would have to check, but Garth for sure is the one that dies on a ranging along with hairy hal and black jack bulwer. Honestly I think there is alot of dont kiss dont tell, behind closed doors sort of thing. Just because its not laid bare in the text doesn't mean it isnt happening. In correlation to Jon. I don't think he is Bi, just can appreciate a good looking man... I probably could of phrased that better but I think It gets the point across. Though if Jon turns out to be Bi, i wouldnt mind. Although, who is to say Satin is gay. Sure he was a male prostitute, but maybe he had to sell himself to men to earn a living, (could also be a whore for women, we do not know). So Satin may in fact be the one to turn down Jon if indeed Jon makes a pass, that would be quite an awkward exchange. But yes, Jon being Bi, i do not think so, Satin being gay, I think he may be, but we can not be sure. Will a romance occur between the two, we'll find out, after the break (and the release of the upcoming books). Hairy Hal is the one you are referring to. A lot of others as well, I guess, but Jon is not somebody to poke his nose in the love life of others. Satin definitely never serviced women as a whore. Those women would throw away their "honor" and would soon need to prostitute themselves to eat. At best. Misogyny is a thing in Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMerciless Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Satin turns out to be a clever female highborn hiding in the NW. Maybe even a princess. Arya did it.There might be a secret to Satin, his place of origin makes me wonder sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Relax... Jon isn't bi nor gay... not that there's anything wrong with that! But seriously, the Jatin comments are nothing compared to other forced shippings in other fandom. Nor any character here has been turned gay due to popular demand. Yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Stark Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Hairy Hal is the one you are referring to. A lot of others as well, I guess, but Jon is not somebody to poke his nose in the love life of others. Satin definitely never serviced women as a whore. Those women would throw away their "honor" and would soon need to prostitute themselves to eat. At best. Misogyny is a thing in Westeros.I don't think it is hairy hal. Garth, Black Jack Bulwer and Hairy Hal were the group killed by the weeper. And I am pretty sure its Garth that Alf mourns over?I agree on Jon not sticking his nose in, his character isnt like that.I was only giving out another possible route that seems to be overlooked. I agree that women wouldnt visit, but its just a possibility, which i myself do not believe in. But i d agree about the Misogyny statement. Dorne seems to be the only place in Westeros where it is a lesser issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Don't think he is and see nothing in the text that hints at it.Always found it stupid that for a woman to look at another woman and think she is beautiful, or notice her beautiful clothes, or her pleasant smell, or her lovely posture, etc, is ok and nothing that would make the observing woman a homosexual or bisexual woman, but a man to do the same to another man is indicative that there is a tendency for him to be something other than heterosexual. I do think most of the Jon bisexuality is a joke, on most posters parts and that's fine. But, for those that do think there is something to Jon's descriptions of Satin, or Ned's of Robert for that matter, I think perhaps some aren't allowing for the fact that Jon IS the only character that the author has available to give us the description of Satin, same with Ned in GOT and being able to describe a young Robert. More Importantly: Waves HI, I haven't run into you in so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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