Dany will NOT fight the Others

[butterbumps!]

so King Bread is actually an Others' conspiracy. These guys wet their beaks in everything.

but seriously, I really wasn't trying to poke fun of the thread. It's really about DP's alleged ant burglars. I'm sort of tempted to paste the transcript of the discussion where she tries convincing me she's not just eating the bread and trying to blame the ants that's totally independent of this thread, because I feel a bit bad about how it looks. sorry for the tangent PW.

[Kyoshi]

ooohhhhh, Butterbumps!, you in trouble!

[MoIaF]

But the danger wasn't dealt with it. If dawn has come and the ants are everywhere that means that the ants have won the battle of the dawn and that Jon and the NW failed in their duty to protect the realm.

So now Dany has to come in and destroy the Ant Others the Anthers(?) and clean up the mess. Sounds like a plan.

[BearQueen87]

But the danger wasn't dealt with it. If dawn has come and the ants are everywhere that means that the ants have won the battle of the dawn and that Jon and the NW failed in their duty to protect the realm.

What a great observation.

[Kyoshi]

:lmao: MoIaF, Please stop!

[NotSoLittleFinger]

I would say that, especially in the show, the fact the she goes beyond the wall and find Drago and thier son means that she will go to fight beyond the wall and die there.

It is beyond the wall where she meets dead loved ones.

Also the reference to Viserys when talking about the ants and the Wall.

Just a thought.

[Suzanna Stormborn]

So now Dany has to come in and destroy the Ant Others the Anthers(?) and clean up the mess. Sounds like a plan.

Anthers, nice :)

[sj4iy]

Dany will fight the Others or the story will be ridiculous.

Dany dreams about Others.

Dany has dragons.

Dragons are the anathema to the Others.

...gee, let's keep her from fighting them, that makes sense!

*facepalm*

[butterbumps!]

Please don't hate ants. They are very intelligent and cute.

ok, so clearly you didn't see the link to the bullet ants that have the ability to scream at you before administering the world's most painful sting I posted. Can I also direct you to the soldier ant? These fuckers don't make normal nests or content themselves raiding Dr P's bread closet. No. They travel in a swarm basically eating their way through any and all (sometimes massive) prey that get in the way, like being drowned by a big wave that happens to be comprised of millions of vicious insects with remarkably large, efficient jaws capable of ripping apart your flesh piece by piece (and, side point, they are huge). They're the real life Indiana Jones ants. ETA: jfc, why does god hate us?

ooohhhhh, Butterbumps!, you in trouble!

eh, now I'm performing a public service. this ant apology is a scourge that needs to be stopped. has no one seriously heard of these terrifying ant breeds?

[MoIaF]

ok, so clearly you didn't see the link to the bullet ants that have the ability to scream at you before administering the world's most painful sting I posted. Can I also direct you to the soldier ant? These fuckers don't make normal nests or content themselves raiding Dr P's bread closet. No. They travel in a swarm basically eating their way through any and all (sometimes massive) prey that get in the way, like being drowned by a big wave that happens to be comprised of millions of vicious insects with remarkably large, efficient jaws capable of ripping apart your flesh piece by piece (and, side point, they are huge). They're the real life Indiana Jones ants.

eh, now I'm performing a public service. this ant apology is a scourge that needs to be stopped. has no one seriously heard of these terrifying ant breeds?

Dude! You're going to give me nightmares. Those are some freaking scary ass ants.

[Stannis's Lawyer]

ok, so clearly you didn't see the link to the bullet ants that have the ability to scream at you before administering the world's most painful sting I posted. Can I also direct you to the soldier ant? These fuckers don't make normal nests or content themselves raiding Dr P's bread closet. No. They travel in a swarm basically eating their way through any and all (sometimes massive) prey that get in the way, like being drowned by a big wave that happens to be comprised of millions of vicious insects with remarkably large, efficient jaws capable of ripping apart your flesh piece by piece (and, side point, they are huge). They're the real life Indiana Jones ants.

There is also a species that kills more than 150 billion animals every year. They also kill millions of humans every year, sometimes in the most grotesque ways possible. They torture thousands every day.

[butterbumps!]

There is also a species that kills more than 150 billion animals every year. They also kill millions of humans every year, sometimes in the most grotesque ways possible. They torture thousands every day.

I know. Someone really needs to stop those Kardashians. But it doesn't make these sins against god any more right in their pursuit of global domination.

[Dr. Pepper]

As a general statement: you are just humiliating yourselves by reducing this theory into ants foreshadowing and making japes about it.

I'm not sure if we are the ones being humiliated, but as per your earlier request, I won't nitpick.

It's probably best to move on to the part about being sore and stiff as an accurate accounting of foreshadowing. I actually woke up sore and stiff this morning, mostly because I was so stressed about bathtub murdering ants all night and ended up tossing and turning. Due to my advanced age, I wake up stiff and sore a lot, so I know how Dany and Mel are feeling.

You know who else knows how Dany and Mel feel when they are sore and stiff? Tyrion. All the time. It's his legs, you see. The difference between Dany and Tyrion is that "Tyrion Lannister was not much a one for sleeping." He does silly things like stays up all night reading in the library at Winterfell, only to discover that "his legs were sore and stiff as he eased down off the bench." A howling wolf caused him to realize his stiff and sore status and to close the book he was reading on a discourse of the changing seasons. Dany also heard a wolf howling, right before the ant fiasco. Comparing Dany and Tyrion, this foreshadows wolf howling will lead to a stiff and sore body, with a symbolic relationship to the Others.

Tyrion is stiff and sore a lot, but it all gets a bit repetitive since he has some musculoskeletal problems. The only other stand out is when he wakes up after his nose is chopped off and his mouth is feeling stiff and sore. He got the nose choppin' while he was in battle, so it may foreshadow Dany participating in an actual important battle. Who knows. I'm getting stiffer and sorer just thinking about all this.

In your stiff and sore post, there is a focus on Dany also aching. It's something that happens to Arya when she's training.

She tried for four hours, until every muscle in her body was sore and aching, while Syrio Forel clicked his teeth together and told her what to do. The next day their real work began. Arya's story becomes one of a young child being booted from her home at swordpoint and then travels across the Narrow Sea to Braavos. Seems familiar.

Bran also experienced a sore and aching sensation in a dream he had about climbing higher and higher only to awake because he doesn't want to face certain things. Bran later goes on to have coffee with Bloodraven north of the wall, so there's that.

Sam felt all sorts of stiff and sore while he and Gilly were making their way to the wall. He murdered Puddles, so take that stiff and sore foreshadowing as you will.

Jon comes away stiff and sore from sessions crushing ants under his feet practicing with Iron Emmett.

Well, there's just a lot of people complaining of this stiff and sore phenomenon. It's a really interesting piece of foreshadowing. Glad you moved the focus from antz.

oh, if it means anything, my comments were for Dr P, because I'm growing concerned about her ant problem. She's been telling me about how the ants are so bad they're even stealing loaves of bread out of her pantry overnight (I inquired, and apparently the loaves are not disappearing due to sleepeating, so the logical conclusion can only be ant burglaring). She keeps refusing professional help, so you can understand my concern about this. I just sent her a Life Alert, because it's a short step from grand bread larceny to murder in the bathtub, and I just can't bear the thought of her being kidnapped and wightified by these villains. Or killed in the bathtub and unable to get up.

What if they start stealing my mail? I saw them trying to carry away my cane the other day. It greatly disturbed me. I don't think they are evil, but mail stealing is a federal crime and without my Life Alert, I wouldn't be able to rally the forces before the next Dawn.

[Stannis's Lawyer]

But army ants serve the function of feeding antbirds.

[mormont]

[mod] Can we stay on-topic, please. Enough with the jokes. [/mod]

[Mithras]

Dany dreams about Others.

I don't think that is the case.

Dragons are the anathema to the Others.

That is yet to be proved. I am not saying that it is not the case but we will see how the dragons will fare if they survive long enough to fight the Others. So far, we know that they do not like bad weather and they have a hard time in flying in a storm. We also know from Ice Dragon that an ice dragon kicked the shit out of three fire dragons. We also know that dragons are not so effective in guerilla warfare, which is what the Others are conducting against the wildlings. And Dany's dragons are still very young.

[BearQueen87]

I don't think that is the case.

That is yet to be proved. I am not saying that it is not the case but we will see how the dragons will fare if they survive long enough to fight the Others. So far, we know that they do not like bad weather and they have a hard time in flying in a storm. We also know from Ice Dragon that an ice dragon kicked the shit out of three fire dragons. We also know that dragons are not so effective in guerilla warfare, which is what the Others are conducting against the wildlings. And Dany's dragons are still very young.

1) Dany has a dream of fighting an army armored in ice. While this could mean literal men, they melt away. Men do not melt away.

2) How canon is "The Ice Dragon" ? I hear conflicting reports about taking it as canon.

[Mithras]

1) Dany has a dream of fighting an army armored in ice. While this could mean literal men, they melt away. Men do not melt away.

2) How canon is "The Ice Dragon" ? I hear conflicting reports about taking it as canon.

1) The Dornish "melt away" before Rhaenys and Meraxes which was the reason why they were succesful.

As I told in the OP, the Northmen (who are likely to fight Dany under the command of Stannis) are said to be made from ice and iron.

2) It is not canon and I don't think there is an ice dragon in ASOIAF. Still, it is a reasonable guess that the fire dragons will have a hard time against cold and ice.

[kimim]

Dany will fight the Others or the story will be ridiculous.

Dany dreams about Others.

Dany has dragons.

Dragons are the anathema to the Others.

...gee, let's keep her from fighting them, that makes sense!

*facepalm*

Dany's been kept ineffective in Essos for thousands of pages. If she shows up in Westeros and doesn't fight the Others, it will be ridiculous.

[sj4iy]

Dany's been kept ineffective in Essos for thousands of pages. If she shows up in Westeros and doesn't fight the Others, it will be ridiculous.

Yeah, I would be burning some books if she never makes it out of Essos.