Julia Martell Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 And he definitely wasn't a coward. No, not a bad person, really, but still kind of a jerk. He's a lot like I imagine Brandon, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocoalover1956 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Some Vale lords know what Catelyn looks like, Sansa looks a lot like Catelyn, even with the hair color change someone should be able to two and two together. And I'm pretty sure that LF has accounted for this possibility, somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Some Vale lords know what Catelyn looks like, Sansa looks a lot like Catelyn, even with the hair color change someone should be able to two and two together. And I'm pretty sure that LF has accounted for this possibility, somehow. Ser Willis Wode also rode with Catelyn to the Vale, and we never hear of him leaving... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the marsh king Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 And he definitely wasn't a coward. Page 9 AGoT Yet in that moment, Will thought,he was a boy no longer,but a man of the Nights Watch. Love that line he may have been a bit of a ass but he was definitely no coward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mychel_Redfort Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 and the "red wanderer" is inspired by Mars, which is a twist since we'd expect Mars to be sacred to the Warrior. In astrology, Mars is also associated with manual work, so it can work with the Smith. But I wonder which wanderer goes with the Warrior... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Just for fun..."You are a young man, Tyrion," Mormont said. "How many winters have you seen?"He shrugged. "Eight, nine. I misremember." Tyrion III, GameMartell's brought half the lords of Dorne, by the look of it. He tried to think of some good that might come of that, and failed. "How many banners do you count?" he asked Bronn.The sellsword knight shaded his eyes. "Eight . . . no, nine."Tyrion V, StormBTW, I wonder if Tyrion meantvto tell Jorah, "Oh, eight or nine, I really don't recall," in which case it could've been as few as six or seven... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 28, 2014 Author Share Posted August 28, 2014 Just for fun...Tyrion III, GameTyrion V, StormBTW, I wonder if Tyrion meantvto tell Jorah, "Oh, eight or nine, I really don't recall," in which case it could've been as few as six or seven...During which conversation? Or did you mean Jeor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 During which conversation? Or did you mean Jeor?Yeap, Jeor. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 When Meera Reed had asked him his true name, he made a ghastly sound that might have been a chuckle. “I wore many names when I was quick, but even I once had a mother, and the name she gave me at her breast was Brynden.” Bloodraven refers to the names he wore when he was "quick" - i.e. alive. So Bloodraven thinks of himself as dead, since he no longer "wears" these names? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 28, 2014 Author Share Posted August 28, 2014 Bloodraven refers to the names he wore when he was "quick" - i.e. alive. So Bloodraven thinks of himself as dead, since he no longer "wears" these names? I think he considers himself as "dying", not yet dead, but dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Bloodraven refers to the names he wore when he was "quick" - i.e. alive. So Bloodraven thinks of himself as dead, since he no longer "wears" these names?I think he considers himself as "dying", not yet dead, but dying.I think thevtruth is somewhere between these two answers. I don't believe he is alive but he's not done yet. Sort of like unBeric and unCat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Loras may have forgotten but Edric Dayne did not..."My father was called Ned too," she said."I know. I saw him at the Hand's tourney. I wanted to go up and speak with him, but I couldn't think what to say." Ned shivered beneath his cloak, a sodden length of pale purple. "Were you at the tourney? I saw your sister there. Ser Loras Tyrell gave her a rose." Arya VIII, Storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleLitke Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 He was kind of an entitled d-bag, but on the reread I liked Waymar better than I did the first time. Same here. Waymar is a dick in some ways, but I find I like him a lot more than Gared. Waymar is right about how the Wildlings couldn't have died from freezing to death (or at least, not by the knowledge they have). If they had immediately done what Gared wanted, what would Mormont have said? "So, you tracked the Wildlings, and they were dead? How did they die?" "I dunno". "Were they killed by other Wildlings? Animals?" "I dunno". Yes, I'm sure Mormont would have been totally content with that. Waymar wanting more information on what could have killed them (especially when Will knew one of them died in the tree despite it not being cold enough for that Wildling to just freeze to death while acting as a lookout) is the correct move. It didn't work out for them, but Will and Waymar did their duty, even if it cost them their lives. Gared ran away, didn't return to the Wall, and didn't even warn Ned before being beheaded. I wonder if we'll ever find out exactly what Gared saw to make "50 year Nights Watch veteran" go "half mad with fear" to the point that he didn't even return to the Wall or warn anyone about what he saw. Zombie Royce? The Others? Probably doesn't matter, but I wonder. In conclusion, Waymar rules, Gared drools, thank you. Loras may have forgotten but Edric Dayne did not... Edric likes Sannnnnnsa, Edric likes Sannnnnnnsa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 At least a few times Samwell wonders why he has lived when others more worthy have fallen. Similar to Davos the author seems to be challenging us to consider what role Samwell has in the plot. His first role was to give us an account of the mutiny at Craster's Keep. His second role was to escort Bran through the Black Gate. He was used to develop Jon's character and to help us understand how to combst Others. But what's he needed for now? He has Aemon's books, the Mance's son, and what appears to be the Horn of Joramun at Oldtown, where he has begun telling us the story of what's going on in the Reach. I don't think the Mance's son has a significant bearing on the plot and we could learn about the Reach through reports made in King's Landing, the Water Gardens, or Storm's End. So, what the hell is going on with the Horn of Joramun down in Oldtown and/or Armon's books?ETA: Oh, and there's this too..."Tell them what, my lord?" Sam asked politely."All. The Fist. The wildlings. Dragonglass. This. All." His breathing was very shallow now, his voice a whisper. "Tell my son. Jorah. Tell him, take the black. My wish. Dying wish.""Wish?" The raven cocked its head, beady black eyes shining. "Corn?" the bird asked."No corn," said Mormont feebly. "Tell Jorah. Forgive him. My son. Please. Go." Samwell II, Storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 When Craster's wives brought onions, he seized one eagerly. One side was black with rot, but he cut that part off with his dagger and ate the good half raw. There was bread as well, but only two loaves. When Ulmer asked for more, the woman only shook her head. That was when the trouble started. Samwell II, Storm"Are you a good man, Davos Seaworth?" she asked.Would a good man be doing this? "I am a man," he said. "I am kind to my wife, but I have known other women. I have tried to be a father to my sons, to help make them a place in this world. Aye, I've broken laws, but I never felt evil untiltonight. I would say my parts are mixed, m'lady. Good and bad.""A grey man," she said. "Neither white nor black, but partaking of both. Is that what you are, Ser Davos?""What if I am? It seems to me that most men are grey.""If half of an onion is black with rot, it is a rotten onion. A man is good, or he is evil." Davos II, Clash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Um, Rhaegar named his half-Dornish daughter after the lady the Dornish killed in awesome fashion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox umbrarum Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 The Bloody Mummers then struck a deal with Roose Bolton - they would get the Northern forces inside Harrenhal by pretending to take them as prisoners, and then butcher Amory Lorch's men and give the castle to Roose.I never noticed this bit. Apparently. I just assumed they went over to the northmen when it looked like they were winning. The way sellswords always do.Puts things into perspective. -----------------------------------------Quentyn (most likely) spottet Penny and her brother when in Volantis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 Quentyn (most likely) spottet Penny and her brother when in Volantis.Yep, most certainly Penny and Groat ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kinkslayer Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I just realized that the only character that uses the name Dany is Daenerys when thinking of herself. No other POV refers to himherself by a pet name that no one else uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Darwin Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I just realized that the only character that uses the name Dany is Daenerys when thinking of herself. No other POV refers to himherself by a pet name that no one else uses.Viserys called her that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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