Consigliere Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Exactly - the only source I've ever seen for this is that wiki. I hope I'm wrong, but this Dawn is as sharp as VS idea - which is commonly believed now - might have been unsubstantiated misinformation. Still hoping someone has a quote???? Did a quick search of the text. Dawn is never stated to be as sharp as VS. The wiki info is definitely unsubstantiated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Did a quick search of the text. Dawn is never stated to be as sharp as VS. The wiki info is definitely unsubstantiated. And ive searched SSM's. This has become an assumed knowledge, part of lots of theories etc. As far as I can tell, it's based on thin air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Exactly - the only source I've ever seen for this is that wiki. I hope I'm wrong, but this Dawn is as sharp as VS idea - which is commonly believed now - might have been unsubstantiated misinformation. Still hoping someone has a quote???? It´s not in the books, nor in the RPGs. It isn´t in the novellas/novelettes either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 And ive searched SSM's. This has become an assumed knowledge, part of lots of theories etc. As far as I can tell, it's based on thin air. I've deleted that bit from the wiki. Nothing about this in the app either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Exactly - the only source I've ever seen for this is that wiki. I hope I'm wrong, but this Dawn is as sharp as VS idea - which is commonly believed now - might have been unsubstantiated misinformation. Still hoping someone has a quote???? Sharp as Valyrian steel never appears in the books, nope. This was the best description in the books: The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. “And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light What I found in the SSMs Link 2. You've mentioned that Dawn has an illustrious history -- is there a ballpark figure for how long the Daynes and/or Starfall/Dawn have existed? Oh, I'd say Dawn goes back a couple thousand years... and before that, things get a little fuzzy anyway. Link As for Dawn, in the books it has a milky white blade. We do not know a way to mimic that without using paint, and GRRM doesn't like paint. Link - This seems to have all information about the Daynes/Dawn in one, and there is no mention of "sharp as Valyrian steel" The sword Dawn was forged from the heart of a fallen star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Yeah, at this stage I would say it's just something that someone has made up that's been passed around without a source. Thanks for looking guys, and glad the wiki's been changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stateofdissipation Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 A google turns upDawn: The ancestral greatsword of House Dayne, who bestow the title Sword of the Morning upon the sword's bearer. Forged of metal from the heart of a fallen star, it is 'pale as milkglass' and is said to be as sharp as Valyrian steel. Returned to Ashara Dayne by Eddard Stark after Ser Arthur Dayne's death.[7]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_swordsProblem is it's source is listed as a wiki of ice and fire and In the A Song of Ice and Fire novels, Dawn was forged from the metal of a fallen star. Its blade is as pale as milkglass and is said to be just as sharp as Valyrian steel.http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/DawnStill has a wiki of ice and fire listed... The best i can come up with for a source is the damage dawn did to the swords the smiling knights used... to damage caused by valaryian steel... the source for that is aSoS chapter 67..too many reverences to valyrian sword to cite individually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I believe the "Dawn is sharper than Valyrian Steel" thing stems from Jaime's recollection of being knighted: the pale blade was so sharp that even that light touch cut through Jaime’s tunic, so he bled anew. He never felt it. Do we ever see anyone being knighted with a Valyrian Steel blade? any indication that they are that sharp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stateofdissipation Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I believe the "Dawn is sharper than Valyrian Steel" thing stems from Jaime's recollection of being knighted: Do we ever see anyone being knighted with a Valyrian Steel blade? any indication that they are that sharp? (chapter 14 Catelyn) does describe Cat grabbing a Valyrian steel blade... Her fingers were slippery with blood but she would not let go of the dagger aGoT page 128..... the cuts are almost to the bone. It is another viewpoint character cut by a blade... mentions of blood without pain. The claim that Dawn is as sharp as or sharper than Valyrian steel is not baseless.... it just does not have a single source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 (chapter 14 Catelyn) does describe Cat grabbing a Valyrian steel blade... Her fingers were slippery with blood but she would not let go of the dagger aGoT page 128..... the cuts are almost to the bone. It is another viewpoint character cut by a blade... mentions of blood without pain. The claim that Dawn is as sharp as or sharper than Valyrian steel is not baseless.... it just does not have a single source Yeah well it's hard to compare her grabbing a dagger with her palms to being touched lightly on the shoulder. Even a normal knife would mess you up if you grabbed it by the blade on a struggle. For what it's worth the impression I get is that Valyrian steel is sharp and holds an edge really well, but Dawn is unnaturally sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stateofdissipation Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Yeah well it's hard to compare her grabbing a dagger with her palms to being touched lightly on the shoulder. Even a normal knife would mess you up if you grabbed it by the blade on a struggle. For what it's worth the impression I get is that Valyrian steel is sharp and holds an edge really well, but Dawn is unnaturally sharp. We do not have an over abundance of viewpoint characters being cut with Valyrian steel;... kind of have to take what we can get.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I believe the "Dawn is sharper than Valyrian Steel" thing stems from Jaime's recollection of being knighted: Do we ever see anyone being knighted with a Valyrian Steel blade? any indication that they are that sharp? Yeah that must be it. The way it's bandied around was like it was specifically compared to VS. But this must be the root. Thx RumHam. I suggest one of the wiki editors adds this part to the wiki, to replace/change wording to what was there, it's great info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Is there a list of the lordships anywhere? I'd like specifics with each 'lordship/fief', meaning the High Lordships, and then which castles fall under them.For example:-Riverrun (Highlord of Riverrun):Wayfarer's Rest:Acornhall:Higheart(Ruins):Pinkmaiden:-Harrenhal(Liveable Ruins) (Highlord of The Trident):Harrentown:Esgaroth:Willow Wood:-The Twins (Highlord of The Crossing):Seagard:Fairmarket:Oldstones(ruins):-Stoney Sept (Highlord of The Grey Mountians):Mumer's Ford:WendishtownHollow Hill:-Darry (High Lord of Darry):Lord Harrow's Town:Antlers:Atrana:-Maidenpool (Highlord of The Bay of Crabs):Saltpans:Dyre Den:-Raventree Hall(High Lord of Raventree Hall):*Disputed Between Raventree and Stone Hedge*Pennytree:-Stone Hedge(High Lord of Stone Hedge):I don't think the Mallisters of Seaguard swear fealty to the twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I don't think the Mallisters of Seaguard swear fealty to the twins.Jason had to or Black Walder woulda offed his son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Jason had to or Black Walder woulda offed his son. Ok so after everything that went down, not at the start of the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Ok so after everything that went down, not at the start of the books.Oh, sorry... I guess I wasn't paying attention sufficiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Second To Last Dragon Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 so the windblown and the tattered prince..they're friends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 so the windblown and the tattered prince..they're friends?The Windblown is the name of the sellsword company led by the Tattered Prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Is there a list of the lordships anywhere? I'd like specifics with each 'lordship/fief', meaning the High Lordships, and then which castles fall under them. No, we don't know which house owe fealty to another for most of the names we have. We don't even have all the flags/words/location of all the houses that we have a list for. This is as close as you will get to that, and it is the Wardens and the known houses in each kingdom. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Houses_of_Westeros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I know we will know this answer in a little less than 2 months, but do we know when the Doran's mother died? Wasn't it right around the end of Bob's Rebellion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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