Lost Melnibonean Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Whatever is in the document, it is a legal document, so the wording is important. For example if Robb said, my brothers having been killed, would have been a mistake in fact which if discovered could nullify the document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Translations issues: Does anyone know or remember whether the name 'Boneway' for the Stoneway (official name) was always in use, or merely coined after a specific event in Dornish history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Translations issues: Does anyone know or remember whether the name 'Boneway' for the Stoneway (official name) was always in use, or merely coined after a specific event in Dornish history? Well it was called the Boneway at least as far back as The Young Dragon: “When the Young Dragon conquered Dorne, he used a goat track to bypass the Dornish watchtowers on the Boneway." There are other mentions, like the Wyls of the Boneway, the host massed there etc. , but nothing to say why it is called the Boneway. It is only listed as the Stone Way in the appendix of a Feast for Crows, in Lord Yronwood's titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Translations issues: Does anyone know or remember whether the name 'Boneway' for the Stoneway (official name) was always in use, or merely coined after a specific event in Dornish history? Searching the books for "boneway," "stoneway" and "stone way" provided no explanation. I suppose it could be in the app, or maybe it will be explained in the world book. A search of the SSM didn't turn up anything either, though it could have been mentioned in one of those videos. It wouldn't really be canon, but is there one of those HBO show blu-ray special features on the history of Dorne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Searching the books for "boneway," "stoneway" and "stone way" provided no explanation. I suppose it could be in the app, or maybe it will be explained in the world book. A search of the SSM didn't turn up anything either, though it could have been mentioned in one of those videos. It wouldn't really be canon, but is there one of those HBO show blu-ray special features on the history of Dorne? Stone Way is presumably the official name, since it is included in an official title. ANDERS YRONWOOD, Lord of Yronwood, Warden of the Stone Way, the Bloodroyal, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 [...] the Bloodroyal, Holy Grail! the words blood royal in French and Southern French/Eastern Spanish dialect: Sang Réal rephrased in Southern French/Eastern Spanish dialect San Gréal mean Holy Grail it's an old one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Stone Way is presumably the official name, since it is included in an official title. ANDERS YRONWOOD, Lord of Yronwood, Warden of the Stone Way, the Bloodroyal, It's called Boneway on official maps, though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stateofdissipation Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Didn't GRRM confirmed that Robb made Jon his heir?Can someone help me find the interview in which he said it? GRRM confirmed that Robb legitimized Jon and made him his heir.... in aSoS "...Jon is the only brother that remains to me. Should I die without issue, I want him to succeed me as King of the North. I had hoped you would support my choice" "I cannot ," she said. "In all else, Robb. In everything. But not in this... This is folly. Don't ask it." "I don't have to. I am the king." Robb turned away and walked off..--aSoS BG page 59 "...Lord Balon left chaos in his wake, we hope. I do not intend to do the same. Yet I have no son as yet, my brothers Bran and Rickon are dead, and my sister is wed to a Lannister. I have thought long and hard about who might follow me. I command you now my true and loyal lords to fix your seals as witnesses to my decision" A king indeed, Catelyn thought, defeated.--aSoS BG page 66 The legitimizing came a little earlier... "a bastard cannot inherit."--Catelyn "Not unless he's legitimized by royal decree, said Robb. aSoS BG page 58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 It's called Boneway on official maps, though.. Ah, I don't have the maps. But the Boneway is the Stoneway isn't it? they aren't different places? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Ah, I don't have the maps. But the Boneway is the Stoneway isn't it? they aren't different places? No Stoneway mentioned on the maps.. So they probably are two names for the same place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The Stone Way is where Septon Chayle is from. It's just past the gate Arya used to walk on the ship at King's Landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Based on the fact that it is only called the Stone Way in Lord Yronwoods title and everywhere else it is called the Boneway, I would imagine that the term Stone way go's back to before the Rhoyner landed in Dorne and the Yronwoods were the most powerful house. When the Martells took over they renamed it the Boneway, probably since they'd lost so many men it in over the centuries or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I think Lord Varys probably has the right of it, it became known as the Boneway after some horrible battle. Much like how Stonebridge became Bitterbridge after Maegor (Lords on his behalf actually according to the sample, I'm not sure if he was there) warred with the Faith Militant there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys' kitten Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Was Ygritte partnered with Orell before Jon Snow killed him and claimed her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Was Ygritte partnered with Orell before Jon Snow killed him and claimed her? She never mentions a relationship to Orell. I doubt that she ever was in a relationship with him, as you'd expect her to be angry with Jon for killing Orell, in such a case. Instead, Ygritte almost immediately takes a liking to Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Whatever is in the document, it is a legal document, so the wording is important. For example if Robb said, my brothers having been killed, would have been a mistake in fact which if discovered could nullify the document. FWIW, IMO The reason Robb was naming Jon heir, was to make sure that Sansa, Arya, or any other sibling (real or fake) could not be used by the Lannister/Baratheon's to control the North. Therefore I believe the wording was such that Bran, Rickon, and the girls were written out of line of succession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 FWIW, IMO The reason Robb was naming Jon heir, was to make sure that Sansa, Arya, or any other sibling (real or fake) could not be used by the Lannister/Baratheon's to control the North. Therefore I believe the wording was such that Bran, Rickon, and the girls were written out of line of succession. There would be no reason to write Bran and Rickon out of the succession, because Robb believed they were dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Gwyneth Yronwood is the youngest of Lord Yronwood's daughters, Ynys Yronwood the eldest. Ser Cletus Yronwood is his only son, and is listed as his heir. However, someone on the wiki pages has listed Gwyneth as Lord Yronwood's youngest daughter and heir. Is this a mistake, or is Ynys removed from succession because she has married Ryon Allyrion?Also, are children listed in order of birth in the appendix? Because Ynys is listed before Cletus, yet he is still the heir. ETA: I've edited the wiki page for now, so it no longer lists her as the heir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Gwyneth Yronwood is the youngest of Lord Yronwood's daughters, Ynys Yronwood the eldest. Ser Cletus Yronwood is his only son, and is listed as his heir. However, someone on the wiki pages has listed Gwyneth as Lord Yronwood's youngest daughter and heir. Is this a mistake, or is Ynys removed from succession because she has married Ryon Allyrion?Also, are children listed in order of birth in the appendix? Because Ynys is listed before Cletus, yet he is still the heir. ETA: I've edited the wiki page for now, so it no longer lists her as the heirAnders has three children: Ynys, Cletus and Gwyneth.Since she's married and has never been called heir, despite bring listed first (IIRC), and thus most likely the eldest, it can be safely assumed that most likely, Ryon is the heir to the seat of his house. Therefore, Ynys will thus most likely have given up her claim, making Cletus heir. Cletus,however, died in Dance, which would now make Gwyneth heir to Yronwood.It seems that the appendix is according the age (from eldest to youngest), but does make an exception, when a house in, say, the Reach has two daughters and then a boy, the boy, upon becoming lord, will be listed first, as he is the head of his house. His sisters, despite being older,will be listed after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Anders has three children: Ynys, Cletus and Gwyneth.Since she's married and has never been called heir, despite bring listed first (IIRC), and thus most likely the eldest, it can be safely assumed that most likely, Ryon is the heir to the seat of his house. Therefore, Ynys will thus most likely have given up her claim, making Cletus heir. Cletus,however, died in Dance, which would now make Gwyneth heir to Yronwood.It seems that the appendix is according the age (from eldest to youngest), but does make an exception, when a house in, say, the Reach has two daughters and then a boy, the boy, upon becoming lord, will be listed first, as he is the head of his house. His sisters, despite being older,will be listed after him.Are we sure the stony Dornishmen don't practice male primogeniture? They have the least Rhoynish blood, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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