Small Questions v.10088

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Are we sure the stony Dornishmen don't practice male primogeniture? They have the least Rhoynish blood, no?

It is said thay in Dorne the elders living child inherits. Obviously, when you marry an heir, you'll give up your seat (like Ynys did, or Arianne would have done had she married Viserys).

Until we get more info, this is what we should follow. Yronwood is in Dorne, afterall.

[HexMachina]

It is said thay in Dorne the elders living child inherits. Obviously, when you marry an heir, you'll give up your seat (like Ynys did, or Arianne would have done had she married Viserys).

So I should change Gwyneth's page back to being the heir?

[Bollen46]

About the saphire theory (http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/97218-sapphires-secrets/page-7#entry6215652)

What do you think of this?

I really liked the idea of the sapphires to alert the reader of secrets but what about the colour blue?
This is from ADWD with viewpoint from the lost lord (jon connington) page 338 Before they are going to meet the Golden Company

"When the lad emerged from the cabin with septa Lemore by his side, Griff looked him over carefully from head to heel. The prince wore sword and dagger, black boots polished to a high sheen, a black cloak lined with blood-red silk. With his hair washed and cut and freshly dyed a deep, his eyes looked blue aswell. At his throat square-cut rubies on a chain of black iron, a gift from magister Illyrio. Red and black, dragon colors. That was good. "You look like a proper prince" he told the boy. "Your father would be proud if he could see you."

Young Griff ran his fingers through his hair "I am sick of this blue dye we should have washed it out."
"Soon enough." Griff would be glad to return to his own true colors too," and so on...


This is a long quote that never mentions saphires but instead uses the word blue. And its also very intresting because it actually hides two secrets instead of the typical saphire code of one secret.

The first secret is pretty obvius "I am sick of this blue dye we should have washed it out" Aegon wants to stop hiding his identity and show himself as Aegon Targareyon to the rest of the world.
However! Just a few sentences before (the first underlined quote) Aegon is mentioned of having blue eyes. In all the previus description of his eyes it´s either been darkpurple/ black like the typical Targs. I know George has done the eyecolor mistake before but Come on! He would not give Aegon blue eyes instead of purple by mistake if he´s a targareyon it´s their signature look.

So my idea is that it´s a secret in the secret (confirming the Faegon theory) That Aegon suddenly blue eyes is a prewarning for Aegon secret of revealing his true identity

So... what do you think?

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

So I should change Gwyneth's page back to being the heir?

Yeah. I do understand the confusion, as she isn't named as heir anywhere in the books, yet. But that is because we only learn a while into Dance that Cletus is dead, and we don't see any discussions on the inheritance of Yronwood afterwards (nor before, btw).

In Winds, Gwyneth should be listed as heir in the appendix, though she technically became heir in the first half of Dance.

She just doesn't know it yet.

[Rhaegal Targaryen]

Does Varys lie?I have noticed that almost every lie he has ever said has a truth behind it.

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Does Varys lie?I have noticed that almost every lie he has ever said has a truth behind it.

People like to say he tells half truths..

Though I personally believe there are times where he's telling the full truth.

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

About the saphire theory (http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/97218-sapphires-secrets/page-7#entry6215652)

What do you think of this?

I really liked the idea of the sapphires to alert the reader of secrets but what about the colour blue?

This is from ADWD with viewpoint from the lost lord (jon connington) page 338 Before they are going to meet the Golden Company

"When the lad emerged from the cabin with septa Lemore by his side, Griff looked him over carefully from head to heel. The prince wore sword and dagger, black boots polished to a high sheen, a black cloak lined with blood-red silk. With his hair washed and cut and freshly dyed a deep, his eyes looked blue aswell. At his throat square-cut rubies on a chain of black iron, a gift from magister Illyrio. Red and black, dragon colors. That was good. "You look like a proper prince" he told the boy. "Your father would be proud if he could see you."

Young Griff ran his fingers through his hair "I am sick of this blue dye we should have washed it out."

"Soon enough." Griff would be glad to return to his own true colors too," and so on...

This is a long quote that never mentions saphires but instead uses the word blue. And its also very intresting because it actually hides two secrets instead of the typical saphire code of one secret.

The first secret is pretty obvius "I am sick of this blue dye we should have washed it out" Aegon wants to stop hiding his identity and show himself as Aegon Targareyon to the rest of the world.

However! Just a few sentences before (the first underlined quote) Aegon is mentioned of having blue eyes. In all the previus description of his eyes it´s either been darkpurple/ black like the typical Targs. I know George has done the eyecolor mistake before but Come on! He would not give Aegon blue eyes instead of purple by mistake if he´s a targareyon it´s their signature look.

So my idea is that it´s a secret in the secret (confirming the Faegon theory) That Aegon suddenly blue eyes is a prewarning for Aegon secret of revealing his true identity

So... what do you think?

The blue dye made his eyes look dark blue, almost black, that was stated on multiple occassions. So the colour blue here isn't indicating a secret here, I think.

Aegons eyes being purple is mentioned when they are in Westeros.

[Nittanian]

Are we sure the stony Dornishmen don't practice male primogeniture? They have the least Rhoynish blood, no?

Concerning Dorne:

Do all Houses of Dorne follow the first born heir law?

The vast majority, yes. May be a few stony Dornishmen in the mountains who go their own way, those least touched by the Rhoynar.

[HexMachina]

Thanks R_T, I'll get that fixed later then

[Lost Melnibonean]

Concerning Dorne:

Damn, LM hit pretty close to the mark there, eh?

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Concerning Dorne:

Would that apply to Yronwood? And if it does, does it change the outcome? Cletus was the only son.. would Ynys become the lady of two seats, or would Gwyneth still inherit her fathers seat?

[HexMachina]

Would that apply to Yronwood? And if it does, does it change the outcome? Cletus was the only son.. would Ynys become the lady of two seats, or would Gwyneth still inherit her fathers seat?

Well, I assume that if Ynys was the eldest child (as the appendix seems to imply) she would not have been wed to the heir of another seat if she had always been set to become Lady Yronwood. So imo anyway, it looks as though Cletus was always intended to be the heir, never Ynys (assuming that the Yronwood children have been listed in order of birth)

[Lost Melnibonean]

Would that apply to Yronwood? And if it does, does it change the outcome? Cletus was the only son.. would Ynys become the lady of two seats, or would Gwyneth still inherit her fathers seat?

There is no bar against inheriting two lordly seats. Doesn't Jaime, or maybe Tyrion, contemplate Tommen's right to the Rock and Storm's End?

[Roddy Darwin]

About the saphire theory (http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/97218-sapphires-secrets/page-7#entry6215652)

What do you think of this?

I really liked the idea of the sapphires to alert the reader of secrets but what about the colour blue?

This is from ADWD with viewpoint from the lost lord (jon connington) page 338 Before they are going to meet the Golden Company

"When the lad emerged from the cabin with septa Lemore by his side, Griff looked him over carefully from head to heel. The prince wore sword and dagger, black boots polished to a high sheen, a black cloak lined with blood-red silk. With his hair washed and cut and freshly dyed a deep, his eyes looked blue aswell. At his throat square-cut rubies on a chain of black iron, a gift from magister Illyrio. Red and black, dragon colors. That was good. "You look like a proper prince" he told the boy. "Your father would be proud if he could see you."

Young Griff ran his fingers through his hair "I am sick of this blue dye we should have washed it out."

"Soon enough." Griff would be glad to return to his own true colors too," and so on...

This is a long quote that never mentions saphires but instead uses the word blue. And its also very intresting because it actually hides two secrets instead of the typical saphire code of one secret.

The first secret is pretty obvius "I am sick of this blue dye we should have washed it out" Aegon wants to stop hiding his identity and show himself as Aegon Targareyon to the rest of the world.

However! Just a few sentences before (the first underlined quote) Aegon is mentioned of having blue eyes. In all the previus description of his eyes it´s either been darkpurple/ black like the typical Targs. I know George has done the eyecolor mistake before but Come on! He would not give Aegon blue eyes instead of purple by mistake if he´s a targareyon it´s their signature look.

So my idea is that it´s a secret in the secret (confirming the Faegon theory) That Aegon suddenly blue eyes is a prewarning for Aegon secret of revealing his true identity

So... what do you think?

That is a very interesting thought in any case; if I may, I suggest you also post that in the Sapphire theory thread (yolkboy does hang around SQs a lot, but it would be interesting to see what people make of it :))

Completely random question, the Yronwood succession made me think of it. I am fairly sure we have no example in the books or the D&E's, but maybe I missed something from the Fire and Blood Reading or something:

Is there an instance, in Westeros, of a heir to a House giving up on his claim while still alive and healthy so that the Lordship goes straight to his children or siblings?

ETA: Dornish House heiress marrying away does not count.

[aryagonnakill#2]

^ Jeor Mormont

[Julia Martell]

How did Manderly manage to fool anyone with the fake hand of the fake Onion Knight?

Can't the Freys tell the difference between a hand that's just had its fingers cut off and a hand that's been healing for sixteen years?

[RumHam]

How did Manderly manage to fool anyone with the fake hand of the fake Onion Knight?

Can't the Freys tell the difference between a hand that's just had its fingers cut off and a hand that's been healing for sixteen years?

Tar?

[Black Wolf Smith]

There would be no reason to write Bran and Rickon out of the succession, because Robb believed they were dead.

fArya and Ramsey wedding isn't enough proof?

How did Manderly manage to fool anyone with the fake hand of the fake Onion Knight?

Either they found a really unlucky bastard, or it isn't that easy to tell from 20-40ft below.

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

fArya and Ramsey wedding isn't enough proof?

No. Thy were certain that Bran and Rickon are dead, with Arya, they never knew.

They never knew about the wedding to Ramsay either, btw.

[TheCrannogDweller]

Is there any textual evidence which shows that Daenerys's hair ever changes its color? I have a friend who claims that her hair became dark (or darker) when it started regrowing after she walked out of Drogo's funeral pyre.