karaddin Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I think you'll find the free market media in other countries is just as, if not more, broken. Needing to stay in business is proving very bad for quality journalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Ent Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I think you'll find the free market media in other countries is just as, if not more, broken. Needing to stay in business is proving very bad for quality journalism. Oh, I follow the media in many countries – I have a daily routine of electronic editions of papers in 4 countries that I visit, and regularly watch the news in 3. Everything is broken. Sweden is unique in the way that there is something called a media consensus, and that this consensus is aligned with the political elite. That’s really scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isalie Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Oh, I follow the media in many countries – I have a daily routine of electronic editions of papers in 4 countries that I visit, and regularly watch the news in 3. Everything is broken. Sweden is unique in the way that there is something called a media consensus, and that this consensus is aligned with the political elite. That’s really scary. Would you mind elaborating on the media consensus part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Ok, just don't want anyone to make the mistake of thinking the Australian media is doing it's job either. I think for the most part it's representing the interests of one group of elites or another, be that the poltiical or monetary elites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Ent Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Would you mind elaborating on the media consensus part? Feminist, multicultural, secular, modernist, environmental populism. (Largely in agreement with my own values, but that doesn’t make it right.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isalie Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Feminist, multicultural, secular, modernist, environmental populism. (Largely in agreement with my own values, but that doesn’t make it right.) Well, Expressen used to let Marcus Birro write... Speaking of Expressen, I was under the impression that it was fairly conservative? If the complaint is that the media is aligned with the political elite on these topics, then perhaps the turn to the right that KD and FP are flirting with will bring some much needed monoculturalism? Didn't an Expressen writer justify the imperialism of the West in a Heart of Darkness fashion, talking about how we brought civilisation just a couple of weeks ago? I guess me remembering it proves it's an outlier, but I don't think that in the current media climate, that the conservative papers will just let the 13-16% of the population that are SD sympatizers go unrepresentented, seeing how they needed every reader they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Ok, just don't want anyone to make the mistake of thinking the Australian media is doing it's job either. I used to think the New Zealand media was abysmal. Then I encountered the Australian media... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Ent Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 […] perhaps the turn to the right that KD and FP are flirting with will bring some much needed monoculturalism? I have not found it helpful to frame the debate over mono- versus multiculturalism along the left–right spectrum. Multiculturalism, I guess, is a classically liberal (in the European sense) position, which in Sweden we put on the right. Similarly, prescriptive cultural politics (which I would describe as monocultural) are a traditionally an instrument of the left. On the other hand, several aspects of multiculturalism are well aligned with progressive values, some of which belong to the self-identified left, and traditional cultural politics belong to conservatism, traditionally aligned with the right. I’ve always found that this strongly value-based signals travel poorly between countries. The first time you move to a different country your political loyalties become confused because the signal that you used to associate with position X turns out to be associated with position Y in your new country. Move countries twice or thrice, or follow the news in several countries, and the usefulness of social signalling becomes more and more dubious. But the (classical, economic) left–right divide continues to make some kind of sense. From that perspective, SD is a centrist party. Another interesting theme: the three SD populations. The inner core of the party consists of highly intelligent political minds. The bulk of the party members is dominated by social outcasts or low-empathy people (since nobody with any kind of social network would be willing to risk the social stigma associated with becoming a party member, lose their job, union card, etc. – I assume you need to be socially isolated in the first place, or a sufficiently unpleasant person to not care what other people think of you). Many of these are embarrassments to the party and will continue to be a useful source of scandals. Then there is the huge group of people who are SD only in the voting booth, who are basically everybody, including many, many recent immigrants. I believe that these three groups are largely uncorrelated in social background and even most opinions. (I may be wrong. Could a similar story be told about MP? I really don’t know. I’ve voted Green in Germany all my life, but would never vote MP in Sweden.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (I may be wrong. Could a similar story be told about MP? I really don’t know. I’ve voted Green in Germany all my life, but would never vote MP in Sweden.) Greens are, IIRC, fairly uniform, they have very similar demographics to FP (except that the latter tend to skew slightly older and more well-established) IE: Middle-class, largely urban people. Like FP they're fairly spread out, geographically, there's basically a thin film of them over most of the country. Speaking of Expressen, I was under the impression that it was fairly conservative? If the complaint is that the media is aligned with the political elite on these topics, then perhaps the turn to the right that KD and FP are flirting with will bring some much needed monoculturalism? Didn't an Expressen writer justify the imperialism of the West in a Heart of Darkness fashion, talking about how we brought civilisation just a couple of weeks ago? I guess me remembering it proves it's an outlier, but I don't think that in the current media climate, that the conservative papers will just let the 13-16% of the population that are SD sympatizers go unrepresentented, seeing how they needed every reader they can get. Expressen is essentially a tabloid first, and whatever ideology it fancies this month second. They tend to support the centre-right, while Aftonbladet tends to support the left, but neither is averse to making outrageous statements that would seem to go right against their alleged political stance, just to make headlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Oh, I follow the media in many countries – I have a daily routine of electronic editions of papers in 4 countries that I visit, and regularly watch the news in 3. Everything is broken. Sweden is unique in the way that there is something called a media consensus, and that this consensus is aligned with the political elite. That’s really scary. Sweden has a relatively healthy newspaper flora, comparatively, including a lot of specialist magazines. That said the owner-concentration is very high among the national dailies. (between Bonnier and Schibsted that's most of it) Journalists actually tend to pretty decisively favour small parties, with both S and M being pretty severely underrepresented. (and the former probably mainly living on becuase they still own a lot of local newspapers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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