Dany can Cripple the Slave Trade completely before she leaves Meereen.

[Wmarshal]

Maybe you didnt see this;

Dany and XXD in Meereen;

"Meereen will be rich and fat and peaceful once again, and free as well. Go to the Dothraki if you must have slaves."

"Dothraki make slaves, Ghiscari train them. And to reach Qarth, the horselords must needs drive their captives across the red waste. Hundreds would die, if not thousands.....and many horses too, which is why no khal will risk it."--XXD

And I am talking about the current slave trade, not something that will happen after the books are finished. She could halt it for a while, which is more than anyone else has ever done.

And Dany then allowed people to sell themselves.

As to the dothraki, they travel to the free ciities alot, they can easily give the slaves to them.

[Game Of Thrones]

Corsairs are much easier for a Westerosi monarch to deal with than are Dothraki hordes on the ground in Essos. Especially a monarch with dragons, which wooden ships cannot withstand. I suspect a dragon raid on their main base of operations would remove them as a serious threat promptly. And if Dany doesn't want to take her babies that far afield, the same thing could be accomplished with a fleet and a couple of sellsword companies.

Corsairs make trouble for merchants and small fleets because they aren't significant enough for any sovereign to make a major effort to eradicate them, but they aren't invulnerable. If they are the reason the slave trade continues, and the sovereign of Westeros is bound and determined to end the slave trade, they will encounter major problems. Like death.

And why would the lords of Westeros support such an expedition?

And sellswords can be bribed. To truly end the slave she needs to conquer Qarth, which is about as feasible as Barbarossa conquering Ethiopia.

[Suzanna Stormborn]

And Dany then allowed people to sell themselves.

As to the dothraki, they travel to the free ciities alot, they can easily give the slaves to them.

Dude I already addressed that in the OP, just like your last post.

[OldGimletEye]

Corsairs make trouble for merchants and small fleets because they aren't significant enough for any sovereign to make a major effort to eradicate them, but they aren't invulnerable. If they are the reason the slave trade continues, and the sovereign of Westeros is bound and determined to end the slave trade, they will encounter major problems. Like death.

So Dany will employ the the strategy that England did? Just a few questions. How long did the British Navy have to work to end the slave trade during the 19th Century? And where is Dany going to get the naval resources to do all this once all the wars are completed in Westeros? Or is she going to find Horatio Nelson in Pentos with a Royal Fleet and a contingent of British Royal Marines to help her out?

[Hodor's Dragon]

I don't see how that will be possible when she leaves to be honest, if she stays and tries i'm sure one of her descendants can do it. Ending slavery in a continent is nothing something she can achieve in her lifetime.

It happened in the United States over the course of about 3 years.

Obviously the United States is a different case - but it's not as different as you might think on first blush. One thing that makes Westeros like the United States but unlike any medieval society in our history is that it has a strong central continent-wide government. This gives Westeros the ability to field very strong military expeditions: there are a good 300,000 or so troopers running around fighting for various factions in the WO5K, and all those troops would serve the Iron Throne if the government is re-unified.

However, there is no central continent-wide government in Essos. If the monarch of Westeros is strongly dedicated to wiping out the slave trade in Essos, there's a fairly simple military solution. If the monarch of Westeros also has a significant presence in Essos - e.g.,a few cities in Slaver's Bay, possibly a decent-sized khalasar - the military solution becomes much simpler.

I'm not saying wiping out slavery is easy, or that it will happen, but I am saying that it's not impossible and shouldn't be ruled out or shrugged off.

[Suzanna Stormborn]

And why would the lords of Westeros support such an expedition?

And sellswords can be bribed. To truly end the slave she needs to conquer Qarth, which is about as feasible as Barbarossa conquering Ethiopia.

/thread

What happened to /thread?

Dont dramatically tease us.

[Hrafntýr]

No it wouldn't, the whole of Essos save Braavos uses slaves, they would probably start collecting their own slaves or create a new market area.

I'm not sure that's exactly true. Of course, the most "economically significant" city-states do, as you say, rely upon slave labour, but the small glimpses we've had of the back stories of some former slaves suggest that they come from cultures that do not practice slavery. And although we don't know a lot about the products created using slave labour, one can at least imagine the production of textiles and other goods as well as agricultural production shifting to wage-labour.

[Hodor's Dragon]

And why would the lords of Westeros support such an expedition?

Because they'll meet Harren's fate if they don't?

[Suzanna Stormborn]

It happened in the United States over the course of about 3 years.

Obviously the United States is a different case - but it's not as different as you might think on first blush. One thing that makes Westeros like the United States but unlike any medieval society in our history is that it has a strong central continent-wide government. This gives Westeros the ability to field very strong military expeditions: there are a good 300,000 or so troopers running around fighting for various factions in the WO5K, and all those troops would serve the Iron Throne if the government is re-unified.

However, there is no central continent-wide government in Essos. If the monarch of Westeros is strongly dedicated to wiping out the slave trade in Essos, there's a fairly simple military solution. If the monarch of Westeros also has a significant presence in Essos - e.g.,a few cities in Slaver's Bay, possibly a decent-sized khalasar - the military solution becomes much simpler.

I'm not saying wiping out slavery is easy, or that it will happen, but I am saying that it's not impossible and shouldn't be ruled out or shrugged off.

Lol, plus the future leaders of Westeros (Dany or Jon) will now have dragons again, same thing as a 747 to get back and forth to SB or anywhere they wanted to go.

[Ingelheim]

Because they'll meet Harren's fate if they don't?

So, Daenerys is going to kill thousands of people...to save thousands of people?

[RumHam]

Yeah you can convince lords to do a lot of things when you have dragons. Plus it would be beneficial to most of the sea-faring lords to have fewer pirates hijacking their ships.

[zaphodbrx]

XXD clearly lays out what Dany must do if she wants to stop the slave trade;

Dany and XXD in Meereen;

"Meereen will be rich and fat and peaceful once again, and free as well. Go to the Dothraki if you must have slaves."

"Dothraki make slaves, Ghiscari train them. And to reach Qarth, the horselords must needs drive their captives across the red waste. Hundreds would die, if not thousands.....and many horses too, which is why no khal will risk it."--XXD

That is ridiculous. Dothraki will not stop their slaving ways -ever- and secondly, anyone can make and train slaves. it is hardly a big deal since brain dead people who are evil and stupid manage to do it. Someone competent would do it way better.

As for stopping slave trade it is neither possible nor necessary to the plot. Dany just needs an exit strategy out of Essos and fast.

Destroying all the slave cities and everyone in them is an old idea that comes around now and then. I highly recommend this idea and explain why in this thread. It probably still wouldn't stop slavery though..

[Hodor's Dragon]

So Dany will employ the the strategy that England did? Just a few questions. How long did the British Navy have to work to end the slave trade during the 19th Century? And where is Dany going to get the naval resources to do all this once all the wars are completed in Westeros? Or is she going to find Horatio Nelson in Pentos with a Royal Fleet and a contingent of British Royal Marines to help her out?

England was only a single nation. Westeros is an entire continent. It already has two massive fleets, the Redwyne and Ironborne fleets. Stannis has ships, the Manderlys have ships, others have ships. And if there aren't enough already, then there are plenty of trees in Westeros. Don't be confused about whether Westeros has the ability to rule the waves.

[Suzanna Stormborn]

That is ridiculous. Dothraki will not stop their slaving ways -ever- and secondly, anyone can make and train slaves. it is hardly a big deal since brain dead people who are evil and stupid manage to do it. Someone competent would do it way better.

I think Dany and Drogon will be more convincing than you allow in Vaes Dothrak. the Dothraki are very superstitious and have all sorts of strange customs and rules. All she has to do is convince the crones.

[Wmarshal]

Dude I already addressed that in the OP, just like your last post.

Not really, the dothraki can't be beaten in the way you put, because they are not a single entity, they are multiple and the second you kill one of their leaders, they divide to make more, they are like a parasite, and no one person on a baby dragon can eradicate them.

[Ingelheim]

England was only a single nation. Westeros is an entire continent. It already has two massive fleets, the Redwyne and Ironborne fleets. Stannis has ships, the Manderlys have ships, others have ships. And if there aren't enough already, then there are plenty of trees in Westeros. Don't be confused about whether Westeros has the ability to rule the waves.

Medieval Fleets. Completely different from Modern ones.

And no, there are not enough ships around to get that many soldiers.

[Hodor's Dragon]

So, Daenerys is going to kill thousands of people...to save thousands of people?

Don't be absurd. If she is queen, she is going to insist on fealty from her lords. They'll give it, partly because they already know what happened to Harren. It ain't voluntary for lords to obey royal commands. Never was.

He'll want what kings always want, she said. Homage.

- Catelyn Stark

[Suzanna Stormborn]

Yeah you can convince lords to do a lot of things when you have dragons. Plus it would be beneficial to most of the sea-faring lords to have fewer pirates hijacking their ships.

:) Exactly.

The great council of Westeros flat out admitted that they let the Targs marry several wives because they were convinced by the dragonlords. Basically they thought a dragonlord was worthy to marry several women, and men without dragons weren't. And that was without any 'burning down'. All it takes is their mere presence.

[OldGimletEye]

England was only a single nation. Westeros is an entire continent. It already has two massive fleets, the Redwyne and Ironborne fleets. Stannis has ships, the Manderlys have ships, others have ships. And if there aren't enough already, then there are plenty of trees in Westeros. Don't be confused about whether Westeros has the ability to rule the waves.

We're talking about the period when England was an empire. You know the British Empire, Rule Britania and all that. Ever heard of it? We're talking about a period when London was the financial center of the world and when the British Government was capable of borrowing large sums of money, unlike what you would find in a Medieval Society before you really had anything like government bonds. Also, were taking about 19th century Naval technology and not Medieval Age naval technology.

[Wmarshal]

England was only a single nation. Westeros is an entire continent. It already has two massive fleets, the Redwyne and Ironborne fleets. Stannis has ships, the Manderlys have ships, others have ships. And if there aren't enough already, then there are plenty of trees in Westeros. Don't be confused about whether Westeros has the ability to rule the waves.

That together make up 3,000 ships. Essos is huge, their seas are monsterously wide and few in between islands. Their is also the factor the free cities aren't going to just stand by as Westeros police them, were talking warfare. Stannis has no ships. And Manderly only has 50. THe only way this has a chance of working is if Westeros conquers the free cities and establish a no slave policy.