naseridrl Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Which places are the best for providing some small amount of basic human rights to their people? This is ASOIAF no place is going to be a wonderful place to live but some places provide better things than others. You have freedom of religion in the free cities area particularly Braavos, you have greater rights for women in Dorne, the Summer Isles seem to have greater sexual freedom and Dorne has this a little too and better treatment of bastards. Both the Summer Islands and the Iron Islands seem to have female captains of ships. Naath people sound very peaceful and maybe that extends to tolerance as well To me it seems that most place have something good about them but also a bunch of terrible stuff a well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Aimry Hill Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Somewhere way too boring for fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 DORNE! There's little to say against it, except for the vague threat of dehydration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 DORNE! There's little to say against it, except for the vague threat of dehydration. Yeah, Dorne ain't perfect but it's the best we're gonna get in this crapsack world. At least a woman can get laid every once in a while without being forced to become a mute nun for the rest of her life afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Somewhere way too boring for fiction You need to read more if you think inequality is the only way a story can be interesting. I'm throwing my hat in for Dorne as well, although politically Bravoos is also good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyBanana Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Summer Islands > Dorne (> rest of Westeros) It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 The Iron Islands and the Wildings have the most meritocratic societies in Westeros: your bloodline matters less than what you yourself can achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 The Iron Islands and the Wildings have the most meritocratic societies in Westeros: your bloodline matters less than what you yourself can achieve. Night's Watch then. By far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Not sure the best case can be made for the Iron Islands concerning human rights...(salt wives, thralls). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Night's Watch then. By far. Except that blood really does matter on the Wall (c.f. Jon), and in marked contrast to the Iron Islands or the Wildings, there is a tightly enforced hierarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Man Reads Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 The Free Cities surely. They seem to be the Westerosi equivalent of medieval Italian cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Onion Sleight Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Summer Islands > Dorne (> rest of Westeros) It is known.Yeah, I'd pick the Summer Isles as well, they sound fascinating, I mean, read e.g. about their culture...The natives of the islands are an ebony-skinned people who speak their own language and often wear capes of brightly colored feathers. The act of lovemaking is considered an important and even holy skill. Prostitution is a respectable profession, practiced even by the high-born islanders. Summer Islanders respect their elderly, and mourning customs include celebrating the dead with wine and lovemaking.The Summer Islands are known for their swan ships. Archery is another important cultural skill, and their special bows have a longer range than most others, giving their merchant boats added defense against pirates. According to semi-canon sources, the Summer Islanders are regarded as the best archers in the known world.The best bows are made of the golden wood from the Summer Isles. The golden wood that the Islanders are famous for comes from the goldenheart tree which are only found on the Summer Islands. They also make a sweet amber wine. Their diet consists primarily of fruits and fish....And then tell me why somebody wouldn't want to live there?!ETA: If I would live on GRRM's world, I'd maybe pick/say:Summer Isles > Braavos > Dorne > the restBut I'm no friend of hot climate, so I'd go with White Harbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Except that blood really does matter on the Wall (c.f. Jon), and in marked contrast to the Iron Islands or the Wildings, there is a tightly enforced hierarchy. Cotter Pyke? Jon Snow? Two of the three main guys of the NW are bastards. Also, saying blood does not matter on the Iron Islands is wrong. You just have to see how the Kingsmoot worked, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyBanana Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Yeah, I'd pick the Summer Isles as well, they sound so wonderful, I mean, read e.g. about their culture......And then tell me why somebody wouldn't want to live there?! Exactly, they're great. Arianne and Oberyn would be considered amateurs down there, i'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickrs Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Yeah, I'd pick the Summer Isles as well, they sound so wonderful, I mean, read e.g. about their culture......And then tell me why somebody wouldn't want to live there?!ETA: If I would live on GRRM's world, I'd pick/say:Summer Isles > Braavos > Dorne > the restWell... I don't drink neither do a lot of sex, so I pick Braavos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Cotter Pyke? Jon Snow? Two of the three main guys of the NW are bastards. Also, saying blood does not matter on the Iron Islands is wrong. You just have to see how the Kingsmoot worked, etc. Cotter Pyke may be a good example, but Jon... it does matter WHO'S bastard you are, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Exactly, they're great. Arianne and Oberyn would be considered amateurs down there, i'm sure. Them's fighting words :fencing: I say both places are quite libidinous. Though the Summer Isles seem to have Firefly-style companions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naseridrl Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 If you've got nothing then the Free Cities might be the best place to go. Being based on trade they'd probably have a good amount of social mobility so it'd give someone with nothing a better chance to make something of themselves, especially as trade relies more on the goods themselves than who the person is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Braavos seems to be the best-governed, so that's the one I'd opt for. Dorne has its points, but the duelling and the poisoning would be drawbacks. Also, the whole country is probably heading for disaster under the leadership of Arianne and the Sand Snakes, in future books. The fact that Jalabar Xhao is an exile from the Summer Isles suggests that they have their own share of civil wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Onion Sleight Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Cotter Pyke? Jon Snow? Two of the three main guys of the NW are bastards. Also, saying blood does not matter on the Iron Islands is wrong. You just have to see how the Kingsmoot worked, etc.Same way as today in many places: Money, money, money + rhetorical skills & some inspiring speech + great visions and campaign promises; Plus points for: Charisma + good-looking + a certain reputation + magical horn (or something else to promote your promises) => XY King(/president/mayor/...)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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