Gibzit Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 layana died in childbirth aswell (if jon is her son) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 "Precedent" is a legal term. There are no "legal" marriages in the seven kingdoms. In the Seven Kingdoms a marriage is legally valid if a religion holds it to be valid. Nothing in the text suggests polygamy is practiced in the Seven Kingdoms. There were polygamous Targaryen marriages in the 7K and they were recognised. Nothing in the text suggests that this has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I've heard a Targaryen wedding consist on the bride and groom branding each other's buttocks with Valyrian Steel and wildfire. "Promise me, Ned... Promise me you won't let others think this is a tramp stamp!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 What? Burning the mother? Where are you getting that idea from? Rhaella died in childbirth, due to unknown complications, possibly age-related (she was in her forties when giving birth to Daenerys). We know of no other Targaryen women, IIRC, who died in childbirth. Death during childbirth was pretty common, so yeah, I don't think it was any sort of 'curse'. It just happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 layana died in childbirth aswell (if jon is her son) True, but Lyanna wasn't a Targaryen, she was a Stark ;) And for as far as we know, there was no fire involved there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 but blood was, maybe the blood lyana was laying in was rhaegar's spilled by fire, would explain how he was rekt by robert on the trident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 but blood was, maybe the blood lyana was laying in was rhaegar's spilled by fire, would explain how he was rekt by robert on the trident Very unlikely. Lyanna died in her bed of blood. Many chapters later we learn, through a Dany POV, that bloody bed is a reference to childbirth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alia of the knife Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I've heard a Targaryen wedding consist on the bride and groom branding each other's buttocks with Valyrian Steel and wildfire. "Promise me, Ned... Promise me you won't let others think this is a tramp stamp!"Your bad. :)BUT I wouldn't be at all surprised to find both Fire and Ice ceremonies to be gruesome affairs. Remember Brans vision of the old woman with the scythe getting ready to kill the bound man before her, feeding the weirwood with his blood?And having a woman oversee such a thing might actually point to the possibility of the North being more Matriarchal than Patriarchal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Your bad. :) BUT I wouldn't be at all surprised to find both Fire and Ice ceremonies to be gruesome affairs. Remember Brans vision of the old woman with the scythe getting ready to kill the bound man before her, feeding the weirwood with his blood? And having a woman oversee such a thing might actually point to the possibility of the North being more Matriarchal than Patriarchal. Well, we know that daughters can inherit after sons in the North, so it's obvious that both sexes have ruled at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Your bad. :)BUT I wouldn't be at all surprised to find both Fire and Ice ceremonies to be gruesome affairs.Remember Brans vision of the old woman with the scythe getting ready to kill the bound man before her, feeding the weirwood with his blood?And having a woman oversee such a thing might actually point to the possibility of the North being more Matriarchal than Patriarchal. Could be. Could be that such woman was the lady of Winterfell because there was no man at the point (not born or gone to war). The thing is that the Northern seemed to have practised very gruesome stuff up there. ...and combined with whatever extravagant rituals the Targaryen also probably did, one has to feel sorry for Dayne and Whent, like "what's that smell?", "it's nothing, they're courting" :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Your bad. :)BUT I wouldn't be at all surprised to find both Fire and Ice ceremonies to be gruesome affairs.Remember Brans vision of the old woman with the scythe getting ready to kill the bound man before her, feeding the weirwood with his blood?And having a woman oversee such a thing might actually point to the possibility of the North being more Matriarchal than Patriarchal. Bear Island springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 bear island is matriachal because of wildlings, not because of northern tradition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 bear island is matriachal because of wildlings, not because of northern tradition So Maege continues to rule and not get married...cause Wildlings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 bear island is matriachal because of wildlings, not because of northern tradition It IS Northern tradition, though. Time and time again we hear "A daughter inherits before an uncle"...meaning that women CAN inherit up there. I don't know what Wildlings have to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 dosne't she have daughters? she got married matrilenially only for house mormont because they were in danger of extinction and i believe they will continue to do so unitl a male is born Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 dosne't she have daughters? she got married matrilenially only for house mormont because they were in danger of extinction and i believe they will continue to do so unitl a male is born I'm pretty sure Maege was never married despite her having daughters. You don't technically need one for the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 It IS Northern tradition, though. Time and time again we hear "A daughter inherits before an uncle"...meaning that women CAN inherit up there. I don't know what Wildlings have to do with it. the she bear talks about how the women of bear isle are strong because they need to protect from wildling raids while the men are away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 So Maege continues to rule and not get married...cause Wildlings? It's better than magic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Also every single daughter bears the name MORMONT. Not the name of a husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 the she bear talks about how the women of bear isle are strong because they need to protect from wildling raids while the men are away ...and? The same goes for anyone living in the North. Wildling raiders aren't at all uncommon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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