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Bakker XXX: A Dark and Seminal Work


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Sure, why not? It's not quite the doublethink Bakker went through - i mean really, saying that you're more right because people stop listening to you? - but I'm fine owning up to taking data and using it to confirm my biases.

It's especially amusing to think this is the supposed post you use to score points on me though. I mean, at least pick a post where Bakker ends up looking vaguely better than someone who just said to the world that they were wrong, apologized and were both too closed minded and too caustic in their views. And most importantly - actually changed their behavior.

Because this is a good example of bakkers viewpoint getting it wrong. Acm didn't quit because of Bakker. Or because of other more powerful camps shouting her down. She quit because reasonable people disagreed with her on her methods and her points and did so reasonably. Challenging her viewpoint didn't work. Challenging her humanity did.

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Can anyone remember why it mattered that Arithau was on anarcane ground? Did it survive the apocalypse because of that?



Also, the Chore Hoard...is there enough to make a major difference in the final battle? It seems like Khellus is the one who has to worry about fired Chorae being reused given the Ordeal's primary reason for being is to escort the Gnostic and Daimotic sorcerers to Golgotha.



Perhaps Kellhus has some other plan for the Tears of God, something involving Mimara?


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Sci - Perhaps someone will correct me, but I do not believe we've been told why Atrithau is on ancarcane ground or the implications. Seems like a Chekov's gun to me.

The only real thing I've pondered is whether the Aporetics might have mined chorae there.

Damn, I have to check the maps then, because IIRC Atrithau is far from the Ordeal and Isterbernith. Maybe the WLW takes a trip there on the way to Golgotterath?

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Sci - Perhaps someone will correct me, but I do not believe we've been told why Atrithau is on ancarcane ground or the implications. Seems like a Chekov's gun to me.

The only real thing I've pondered is whether the Aporetics might have mined chorae there.

What was in the deleted atraithau chapter?

Funny how some questions have the official response that it was in a deleted section. Bodes ill for unholy consult but provides a great authorial out.

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The Aspect Emperor is the No God and that is why it was mentioned that the Utemot were the No God's riders during the Apocalypse when we first met Cnauir.



In the same way that guy with the founder of the Mandate who stole into Golgotterath became the No God when they stuck him in that sarcophagus.



Also one reason I do not believe that Kell is the true Anasurimbor is that his great ancestor was a bastard. It's in the prologue.


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The Aspect Emperor is the No God and that is why it was mentioned that the Utemot were the No God's riders during the Apocalypse when we first met Cnauir.

In the same way that guy with the founder of the Mandate who stole into Golgotterath became the No God when they stuck him in that sarcophagus.

Also one reason I do not believe that Kell is the true Anasurimbor is that his great ancestor was a bastard. It's in the prologue.

I'm confused about the first statement. Why does the Scylvendi riding for the No-God make the Aspect emperor the No-God?
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Maybe Serwa tries to teleport to Atrithau, causing Sorwheel to implode and initiating the excerpt HE quoted earlier.

Would be cool if it was an Aporetic stronghold or ouroborian cult site.

Ah, that's interesting and make sense. There's no such thing as "anarcane ground", but there is some kind of Aporetic artifact buried down there...

But then wouldn't Kellhus go there to claim it?

And did Kellhus ever send anyone to check out his old home? Did any of his Orthodox enemies go there to investigate his claims of being a Prince, or does everyone accept that story was merely a cover the God used to position Kellhus?

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Ah, that's interesting and make sense. There's no such thing as "anarcane ground", but there is some kind of Aporetic artifact buried down there...

But then wouldn't Kellhus go there to claim it?

And did Kellhus ever send anyone to check out his old home? Did any of his Orthodox enemies go there to investigate his claims of being a Prince, or does everyone accept that story was merely a cover the God used to position Kellhus?

What would investigating do? Facts and evidence don't do shit.

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Random brainfart.

Circumfix is a circle.

Metaphysical shit went down because of that.

That is all.

Return to my idea that God is an Ouroboros, a being whose very nature is [what] allows it total comprehension of all things...which happen to be its body/mind (for God there is no mind-body distinction). This is why paradox - the serpent eating its own tail via self-reference - is the key to the Chorae [and proof of a soul].

No-God is the serpent forced to let go of its tail, the mind that cannot comprehend itself and so must ask "What am I?". In the same way Kellhus is said to the be Ur-Soul, the No-God is an avatar every mortal's state b/c we're all blind to TDTCB, which is why the No-god cries out "I cannot see".

I have little evidence though someone did ask Bakker if the No-God had to do with our epistemtic ignorance (maybe specifically wrt to our own thoughts?), to which Bakker replied the asker was very perceptive.

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The Aspect Emperor is the No God and that is why it was mentioned that the Utemot were the No God's riders during the Apocalypse when we first met Cnauir.

In the same way that guy with the founder of the Mandate who stole into Golgotterath became the No God when they stuck him in that sarcophagus.

Also one reason I do not believe that Kell is the true Anasurimbor is that his great ancestor was a bastard. It's in the prologue.

I'm with you can n at least its a strong possibility Kellhus is the No-God. Sci I like your theory and it makes sense to me. Here's my question. Do you think there will be a physical manifestation, other than the whirlwind? A walking, talking No-God, that's gains consciousness through the Tekne somehow?

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circumfix is obviously a glome. duh!

Good word choice, given the CS Lewis book ref.

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I'm with you can n at least its a strong possibility Kellhus is the No-God. Sci I like your theory and it makes sense to me. Here's my question. Do you think there will be a physical manifestation, other than the whirlwind? A walking, talking No-God, that's gains consciousness through the Tekne somehow?

Oh, I suspect there's something that walks and talks and is stuck in the Carapace. The chorae in the Carapace prevent direct magical attacks while the whirlwind prevents physical attacks.

What remains is the question of why even the slightest bit of contact with the Inward reality of Earwa seems enough to destroy the No-God...and why whatever it is takes so long to rebuild.

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Anarcane ground is more likely to come into play in the third series than in TUC, I think. For now it could just be part of the world building that Bakker wanted to include.

Also, the Chore Hoard...is there enough to make a major difference in the final battle? It seems like Khellus is the one who has to worry about fired Chorae being reused given the Ordeal's primary reason for being is to escort the Gnostic and Daimotic sorcerers to Golgotha.

For the record Bakker said that the Consult has a far greater chorae hoard than the one in Sakarpus.

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