Lost Melnibonean Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 [ spoiler ] text here [ / spoiler ] without the spaces... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACVG Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I hope I got it in world's, it says Robert has three golden heirs, for every other king only the sons are listed as heirs, is this a typo or did something change during Roberts rein?"Moreover, the king and his beloved queen have given the realm three golden heirs to ensure that House Baratheon will long reign supreme." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukle Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I hope I got it in world's, it says Robert has three golden heirs, for every other king only the sons are listed as heirs, is this a typo or did something change during Roberts rein?"Moreover, the king and his beloved queen have given the realm three golden heirs to ensure that House Baratheon will long reign supreme." That's a really good point... Umm... the best that I can speculate is: It's a mistake. It can't really be a reference to Stannis and Renly because 1) that'd make four, not three and 2) Robert isn't responsible for producing them. Or maybe the Baratheons won't be as strict as the Targaryens and will allow women to inherit after their brothers... ? Robert's claim to the Iron Throne comes from his maternal side, which the Great Council of 101 seemed to decide wasn't a legitimate source of a claim. They always placed the male progeny ahead of any female claimant or even a claim descended though the maternal line even if it meant handing power to a distant collateral relation. A change made under Robert's rule must've changed this, in order to support his own claim to the Iron Throne, in which case Myrcella is an heir, after Joffrey and Tommen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I hope I got it in world's, it says Robert has three golden heirs, for every other king only the sons are listed as heirs, is this a typo or did something change during Roberts rein?"Moreover, the king and his beloved queen have given the realm three golden heirs to ensure that House Baratheon will long reign supreme."No, it's just wording for Robert's children. Because Robert started a new line on the throne, Stannis can't simply inherit the throne, but Robert's children first, I think. Had Robert's father been King first, then Stannis would have been the official heir after Joffrey and Tommen. But because Robert is the start of House Baratheon of KL, first all of his children are the heirs, only then will Robert's brothers be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACVG Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 No, it's just wording for Robert's children. Because Robert started a new line on the throne, Stannis can't simply inherit the throne, but Robert's children first, I think. Had Robert's father been King first, then Stannis would have been the official heir after Joffrey and Tommen. But because Robert is the start of House Baratheon of KL, first all of his children are the heirs, only then will Robert's brothers be considered. so myrcella is an official heir after joffrey and tommen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 so myrcella is an official heir after joffrey and tommen? Yes, as long as she is considered Robert's child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 so myrcella is an official heir after joffrey and tommen? Absolutely. Presumably, she would wed a great a lord who would rule as regent and have a son who would be named king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukle Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 This is a really good question, and I'm curious as to what others think... I didn't realise that so many people would reply to it as they normally don't and I think ACVG's query is so good that I made a thread for it here: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/119923-twoiaf-spoilers-female-claimants-to-the-iron-throne/ Don't panic! I've not taken credit for this splendid question! :) And soz if that's more inconvenient that continuing here, but my curiosity is really piqued by this one... it's not a small question but a large one. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Soo.. I'm looking for the quote where GRRM states that somebody is going to the lands of always winter... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Was Bloodraven responsible for Jon's visions/dreams/thoughts of the kings of winter telling him he didna belong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 What is the largest castle on the Iron Islands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 What is the largest castle on the Iron Islands? I don't think we know for sure, but not Pyke. Probably Ten Towers or Hammerhorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Was Bloodraven responsible for Jon's visions/dreams/thoughts of the kings of winter telling him he didna belong? I like to think it was Jon's prophetic dreaming power (inherited thanks to his Targaryen genes) that did the trick. What is the largest castle on the Iron Islands? Confirmed is that it isn't Pyke What is the largest castle, is unknown, as far as I am aware. Candidates are castles located on Great Wyk (largest island), and Harlaw (more wealthy island) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikkensmakersmark Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Is there any proof in the books that Varys is really a Eunuch? He says he is and few men would lie about such a thing. But Varys tries pretty hard to seem helpful and non threatening. Nobody thinks Rugen is a Eunuch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Soo.. I'm looking for the quote where GRRM states that somebody is going to the lands of always winter... ;) Does nobody have this one for me? :blushing: Is there any proof in the books that Varys is really a Eunuch? He says he is and few men would lie about such a thing. But Varys tries pretty hard to seem helpful and non threatening. Nobody thinks Rugen is a Eunuch. We don't have a discription of the happening directly, but we do have a statement of Varys telling Tyrion what happened. He shows him that he has captured 'the wizard' that did 'it' to him many years ago. Then again, I don't really see the importance of him having a stick and balls or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomi Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 He shows him that he has captured 'the wizard' that did 'it' to him many years ago. That part is only in the show, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Does nobody have this one for me? :blushing: I did a search of the SSMs and found nothing, but that doesn't mean he never said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Does nobody have this one for me? :blushing: I did a search of the SSMs and found nothing, but that doesn't mean he never said that. I also found nothing, but I'm 100% sure that GRRM said we'll get to see Lands of Always WInter is WOW. I've read it several times, but I can't remember where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I also found nothing, but I'm 100% sure that GRRM said we'll get to see Lands of Always WInter is WOW. I've read it several times, but I can't remember where.Yeah, but I have a feeling that isn't going to be from a direct pov, but through Bran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Yeah, but I have a feeling that isn't going to be from a direct pov, but through Bran Yeah I believe the only chance for it to be a direct PoV at this point is the epilogue. Unless Jeyne Westerling is conspiring with the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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