Queen Alysanne™ Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 "drink from the cup of ice . . . drink from the cup of fire . . . " - The Undying :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 The Targaryen lineage: 1. Valaena Velaryon - Aerion Targaryen: Visenya, Aegon, Rhaenys 2. Aegon - Rhaenys: Aenys; Visenya - Aegon: Maegor 3. Aenys - Alyssa Velaryon: Rhaena, Aegon, Viserys, Jaehaerys, Alysanna, Vaella 4. Maegor - Ceryse Hightower, Alys Harroway, Tyanna of the Tower, Rhaena Targaryen, Jeyne Westerling, Elinor Costayne: no surviving issue 5. Aegon - Rhaena: Aerea & Rhalla Targaryen [twin girls, Maegor names Aerea his heir after he marries Rhaena and disinherits Jaehaerys, Rhaena survives Maegor, and her children most likely, too, no (further) husbands for Rhaena or her children are known, though a Velaryon match would not be unlikely] 6. Alyssa Velaryon Targaryen - Robar Baratheon: Boremund & Jocelyn Baratheon [Alyssa served as Queen Regent and Robar as Hand and Lord Protector during Jaehaerys' minority; they married half a year after his coronation] 7. Jaehaerys - Alysanne Targaryen: {Aegon}, Alyssa, Aemon, Baelon, Daella, Viserra, Maegelle, Vaegon, {Valerion}, {Aeryn}, {Gaemon}, Saera, Gael. [bracket guys died as children] 8. Aemon - Jocelyn Baratheon: Rhaenys Targaryen 9. Alyssa Targaryen - Baelon Targaryen: Viserys, Daemon, Aegon [no idea what happened to Aegon - could be the Ape Prince] 10. Daella Targaryen - Lord Rodrik Arryn: Aemma Arryn 11. Rhaenys Targaryen - Corlys Velaryon: Laena, Laenor 12. Viserys - Aemma: Rhaenyra, Baelon 13. Viserys - Alicent Hightower: Aegon, Helaena, Aemond, Daeron 14. Daemon - Laena: Baela, Rhaena 15. Rhaenyra - Laenor: Jacaerys, Lucerys, Joffrey 16. Rhaenyra - Daemon: Aegon, Viserys 17. Aegon - Helaena: Jaehaerys, Jaehaera, Maelor 18. Aegon - Jaehaera: no issue 19. Aegon - Daenaera Velaryon [daughter of Daeron Velaryon, who was a cousin of Alyn Oakenfist]: Daeron, Baelor, Daena, Rhaena, Elaena 20. Viserys - Larra Rogare of Lys: Aegon, Aemon, Naerys 21. Baela - Alyn 'Oakenfist' Velaryon: issue [baela was already dead when Elaena had her affair with Alyn, because she hoped to marry him.] 22. Rhaena of Pentos - Corwyn Corbray: no issue 23. Rhaena of Pentos - Garmund Hightower: six daughters [one may have married a Hightower cousin] 24. Baelor - Daena: no issue [Daeron I did not marry] 25. Aegon - Naerys: Daeron, Daenerys 26. Elaena - Ossifer Plumm: Lord Viserys Plumm [true father possibly Aegon the Unworthy] 27. Elaena - Ronnel Penrose [Daeron's Master of Coin]: Robin, Laena, Jocelyn, Joy [one of them may have been Aelinor Penrose, or, with a lot of goodwill, the mother of Aelinor Penrose] 28. Elaena - Michael Mandwoody: no issue 29. Daeron - Mariah Martell: Baelor, Aerys, Rhaegel, Maekar 30. Daenerys - Maron Martell: (multiple) issue 31. Baelor - Jena Dondarrion: Valarr, Matarys 32. Aerys - Aelinor Penrose [a cousin of Aerys, possibly one of the daughters/granddaughter of Elaena]: no issue 33. Rhaegel - Alys Arryn: Aelor, Aelora (twins), Daenora 34. Maekar - Dyanna Dayne: Daeron, Aerion, Aemon, Daella, Aegon, Rhae 35. Valarr - Kiera of Tyrosh: no issue 36. Daeron - Kiera of Tyrosh: Vaella the Simple 37. Aelor - Aelora: no issue 38. Aerion - Daenora: Maegor [possibly the Ape Prince] 39. Aegon - Betha Blackwood: Duncan, Jaehaerys, Shaera, Daeron 'the Gay', Rhaelle 40. Duncan - Jenny: no known issue!!! 41. Jaehaerys - Shaera: Aerys, Rhaella 42. Rhaelle - Ormund Baratheon: Steffon 43. Aerys - Rhaella: Rhaegar, {lots of stillbirths, miscarriages & children who died young, among them the Princes Aegon, Daeron, Jaehaerys, and the Princess Shaena}, Viserys, Daenerys 44. Rhaegar - Elia Martell: Rhaenys, Aegon 45. Daenerys - Khal Drogo: {Rhaego} I hope I did not forget anything. Missing are: 1. The husbands/wives of Rhaena (if she remarried after Maegor), Aerea & Rhalla. The must have been some offspring there. The Great Council dismisses nine lesser claimants in 101 before the main claimants, Laenor and Viserys are discussed. Those could include Aemma, Rhaenys, Laena, Daemon, Aegon, and Rhaenyra. Possibly Archmaester Vaegon as well. Alyssa Targaryen seems to have been dead at that time, as were all other children of Jaehaerys and Alysanne, besides, possibly, Saera, and she was running a brothel in Volantis. 2. The husbands of Daella and Rhae - one of them or their descendants may have married into House Tarth. 3. The wife of Prince Maegor. 4. The children of Duncan & Jenny - if they had any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 The Targaryen lineage: [snip] Wow. Thanks for this. I didn't realize that Aerys and Rhaella had a lot of stillborns, miscarriages, ect before Viserys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Wow. Thanks for this. I didn't realize that Aerys and Rhaella had a lot of stillborns, miscarriages, ect before Viserys. Eight births in total (7 children are named), and two miscarriages, IIRC. Which completely explains the gap in age between Rhaegar and Viserys.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 The Targaryen lineage: snip WOW. Thank you so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arataniello Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Thanks Lord V. I can probably now stop keeping my own version of the family tree spreadsheet for the Targs up to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Eight births in total (7 children are named), and two miscarriages, IIRC. Which completely explains the gap in age between Rhaegar and Viserys.. Yup. Something I've always wondered about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Damn. I really remember all that stuff. Please kill me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Widow of Coldmoat Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 So in light of Maekar's marriage to Dyanna Dayne, does that bring new relevance to Dunk seeing a falling star at Ashford after he first agrees to let Egg be his squire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Blackwoods or anything related to skinchanging, Old Gods, First Men, CotF etc. except the Starks who held the title King of Winter once are NOT ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 It seems like there will be many claims in the Great Council I expect at the end of the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 28. Elaena - Michael Manwoody: no issue This must be her marriage for good sex love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 The Targaryen lineage: snip :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Blackwoods or anything related to skinchanging, Old Gods, First Men, CotF etc. except the Starks who held the title King of Winter once are NOT ice. Very true. So First men or not Dany doesn't have ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Is that Aenys' wife who later married Robar Baratheon? I always thought Jocelyn would turn out to have a Baratheon mother, just thought it would be a daughter of Jaehaerys I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 This must be her marriage for good sex love. Yep. That's the one. He was a dornishman who had come to court with Mariah Martell. So in light of Maekar's marriage to Dyanna Dayne, does that bring new relevance to Dunk seeing a falling star at Ashford after he first agrees to let Egg be his squire? How? Perhaps elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearQueen87 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Blackwoods or anything related to skinchanging, Old Gods, First Men, CotF etc. except the Starks who held the title King of Winter once are NOT ice. Wait. Why...? I'm actually asking. I've always considered that the "ice" was blood of the first men. Why are you just saying it must those who ruled the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Is that Aenys' wife who later married Robar Baratheon? I always thought Jocelyn would turn out to have a Baratheon mother, just thought it would be a daughter of Jaehaerys I. Yes, Aenys' wife was Alyssa Velaryon, who married Robar Baratheon and had two more children by him: Boremund, the father of Lord Borros, and Jocelyn, the mother of Rhaenys.. Which explains even better why Rhaenys believed the Baratheons would support Rhaenyra. So in fact, Aemon married his aunt (Jaehaerys' half-sibling). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Wait. Why...? I'm actually asking. I've always considered that the "ice" was blood of the first men. Why are you just saying it must those who ruled the North. Because only the Starks seem to have some "relationship" with the winter and other than them, the First Men Culture has nothing to do with ice. That is why I think the song of ice and fire must be the product of a Stark and a Targaryen ("fire is in our blood" said Viserys). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojzelote Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Eh, "Kings of Winter" is just a fancy title. Plus, it appears that the Blackwoods actually hail from the North too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Well, if the Blackwoods do not usually bring forth skinchangers, it could be their Stark blood which does the trick. Surely they intermarried with the ancient Kings of Winter when they still ruled the Wolfswood, and they may have been more recent matches in light of all the daughters running around in the family tree, especially the four daughters Lord Cregan Stark had by Black Aly Blackwood. One of them could have married back into the Blackwood line, to give birth to the father of Melissa Blackwood (or Melissa herself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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