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SerHodor

Theon's ...flaying..

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So I reached the chapter in ADWD where we meet "Reek". Of course we all know that this "Reek" incarnated is the lovely and charming Theon of House Greyjoy. In the television show I am assuming that it was painfully (no pun intended) obvious that Theon gets his junk hacked off by Ramsay Bolton (formerly Snow). However, the book only seems to allude to it... sort of. I was wondering, do we really know if Theon had gets his junk flayed/hacked off in the book like in the tv show? It would certainly explain his more docile nature, and the fact that he is less of a .... a... welll... less of a ... dick.


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I don't recall them ever stating it. He often mentions how he doesn't REALLY need all of his fingers, but never mentions that. I think the docile nature just comes from the abuse that he has suffered from Ramsey and his boys. Even from just scraping some skin off myself accidentally, I can't begin to imagine the pain from being flayed. He flayed parts of Theon (i.e. fingers) and then made him beg for them to be taken off. He would have begged for that from the pain of the open wound. Theon says that Ramsey doesn't cut off parts unless you beg him to. (Sick little game of his, I guess.) So, I am assuming that it didn't happen or Theon may have thought about it again.


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I agree that his castration is definitely implied in the book. Can't quite put my finger on just where, though.

I think this is the most damning evidence:

After Ramsay and "Arya" get married, Ramsay brings Theon into his room and tells him to pleasure his bride to get her wet. Theon's response is something like, "I can't. I'm not even a man," or something to that effect. Then Ramsay tells Theon to use his tongue... So either he got it cut off, or he's got the worst case of ED in Westeros.

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So, I just made it to the part in book 5 where Reek/Theon goes to the Moat and convinces the Ironborn to surrender to Ramsay,. There seems to be another piece of damning evidence there as well. In his thoughts, Theon seems to counting himself fortunate that Ramsay didn't take his tongue... just some of his toes, fingers, and that "one other thing".... yeah...


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G.R.R.M directed the episode in which Theon is de-manned, doesn't make it definitive but it seems to suggest.

He didn't write those scenes!

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Hinted more than one time so, according to Agatha Christie (..two clues are a coindicence , three clues an evidence), I would say it is evidently true. :)


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I think this is the most damning evidence:

After Ramsay and "Arya" get married, Ramsay brings Theon into his room and tells him to pleasure his bride to get her wet. Theon's response is something like, "I can't. I'm not even a man," or something to that effect. Then Ramsay tells Theon to use his tongue... So either he got it cut off, or he's got the worst case of ED in Westeros.

Oh...I thought that he wouldn't use his...manhood... so as not to risk impregnating her and that he had no right to her or wish to deflower his master's bride or something like that.

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I think this is the most damning evidence:

After Ramsay and "Arya" get married, Ramsay brings Theon into his room and tells him to pleasure his bride to get her wet. Theon's response is something like, "I can't. I'm not even a man," or something to that effect. Then Ramsay tells Theon to use his tongue... So either he got it cut off, or he's got the worst case of ED in Westeros.

While that could definitely hint towards that, I also think he said that mainly because Ramsay doesn't allow Theon to call himself a man but rather his dog only. Ramsay has spent a long time telling Theon he is not a man but a creature or something like that so I think Theon meant that more literally.

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He also says that he would have responded to Holly's flirting (the washerwomen) but "that day was done".



It's heavily implied.



He probably has a few bastards around though.


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It's hinted and explains the level of trauma he is demonstrating.

There is a part in the book where he refuses a bath because people will see him naked, this terrifys him.

Basically Mr winky went by by, on a plus he is eligible to join the unsullied!

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