LordImp Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Did Balon love Theon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Darwin Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Daella or Rhae. We know they were married, but neither have their spouse listed in the tree, nor their children.. They are the only ones left. Any hypothetical daughter of prince Maegor would timeline wise only capable of having been Briennes mother, and we should know by now if Brienne was half Targaryen.. so Selwyns mother having been a Targ, or even his grandmother, would sound like the best option...Thanks :)I love the idea that the Targaryen princess is where Brienne got her Dunk genes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Did Balon love Theon? You've read the books, you have the same amount of info as the rest of us, you're free to draw your own conclusion from what you read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Thanks :)I love the idea that the Targaryen princess is where Brienne got her Dunk genes from.Well, that's Lord Varys' theory, at least. That they got married, had a child (or multiple children), and that Daella eventually died, leaving Dunk free to join the KG. The main objections I personally have against it, is that Dunk is a baseborn no-body from Fleabottom. We see how Davos is treated, despite having been made a Lord. No matter how many great things Dunk will do, he will always be known to the high lords to have been from Fleabottom... That said, I suppose it would be possible if Dunk married Daella after her first husband (or second, even) had died.. Daella was born in 199AC, and Aegon, her former betrothed, marries in 220AC... Daella would have been most likely married by then, if the betrothal had been broken previously.. But once married, Aegon wouldn't have been travelling the country with Dunk as he is doing in the current novella's... Elaena Targaryen was allowed to marry whoever she wanted after husband #2 died, so perhaps, Daella can do the same.. In such a case, they probably won't have been married that long. Selwyn Tarth is 54 in 300AC, IIRC, and thus, his father should have been born somewhere in the 230ties at the latest... And we know that by 236AC, Dunk is a KG knight.. Still, I personally favor another approach, that does include both Dunk and either Daella or Rhae.. with Dunk's daughter marrying Daella's Tarth son, and from that marriage we get Selwyn (this approach would have Dunk marrying around the same time as Egg...) But speculating remains speculating.. We've got very little to go on.. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordImp Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 You've read the books, you have the same amount of info as the rest of us, you're free to draw your own conclusion from what you read.Im asking here because i have no idea. After my opinion he didnt love Theon , but he was still he's son and i wonder if he still saw Theon as his son or just as a Stark. My conclusion: No , he dident love him. Maybe a little , but he was so mad at the Starks that he dident felt love for Theon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Im asking here because i have no idea. After my opinion he didnt love Theon , but he was still he's son and i wonder if he still saw Theon as his son or just as a Stark. My conclusion: No , he dident love him. Maybe a little , but he was so mad at the Starks that he dident felt love for Theon. Yeah, but Small Questions are more about factual questions, and less about discussing characters. If you want to discuss relationship between Balon and Theon - then by all means do so by opening a thread about it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Allow me to shorten that conversation to the essential stuff:Did Balon love Theon? Did Balon love? [tl;dr] probably not. Until AFfC there's no mention of Balon's love, so while we cannot exactly know, it looks a bit as if love does indeed not feature for Balon Greyjoy. Theon in ACoK thinks Balon loves Asha more than him, but I chose to discard that as only his internal monologue using Winterfell language and words that might not populate Balon's mind. Then in in AFfC 16 The Iron Captain, Victarion muses Balon loved his daughter. Victarion is not the best case of a bright witness either, but there may be some truth to it. Being under the impression that Balon Greyjoy did not spend thoughts on love as far as I could witness it first hand, I cannot say for certain. Theon and Victarion think he loved Asha as this is their justification for Balon to want to make her his heir. I am unable to get to the truth in that. It makes sense for me that he chose so out of disappointment. broken dreams and bitterness and still no love. Whatever the answer to that, he did not show much love for Theon. Giving him a command to raid the stony shore though shows he was giving him a chance at redemption. Tough love. You've read the books, you have the same amount of info as the rest of us, you're free to draw your own conclusion from what you read. "Not a small question" - did you mean that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 "Not a small question" - did you mean that? Yes, basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contemplative Brother Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Do we know when exactly Robert and Cersei were married? How much time passed between Ned's and Catyln's wedding and Robert's and Cersei's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Do we know when exactly Robert and Cersei were married? How much time passed between Ned's and Catyln's wedding and Robert's and Cersei's? This wiki page summarizes that Ned's and Cat's wedding happened in 283 AC, while Bob's and Cersei's took place in 284 AC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Do we know when exactly Robert and Cersei were married? How much time passed between Ned's and Catyln's wedding and Robert's and Cersei's? Ned and Catelyn's was sometime in the middle of the Robellion, estimates vary from about 3 to 6 months from the beginning, (assuming a year Robellion.) Cersei had to travel from Casterly Rock to KL. And Barristan Selmy served in Cersei's escort from CR to KL, so it would have been some time after the Trident, as Selmy would have to have healed up some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Ned and Catelyn were married at the same thay that she was going to marry Brandon , very early at the war to make Tully-Stark-Baratheon-Arryn Alliance stronger. Cersei married Robert after sack of King' s Landing and ending of Rebellion. Cersei also needed time to travel to KL from CR. Ned and Catelyn was about year? earlier I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Ned and Catelyn were married at the same thay that she was going to marry Brandon , very early at the war to make Tully-Stark-Baratheon-Arryn Alliance stronger. Strictly speaking, it would have to have been weeks or months after the "same day" Catelyn was going to marry Brandon. Brandon had to travel to KL, then Rickard, then deaths, then news, then Ned going to the North, then Ned traveling to Riverrun with an army. "Yet when the day came at last, it was his brother Eddard who stood beside her in the sept." AGoT p. 695 By "the day," Catelyn means 'the day of her wedding,' not "the same day on which I was supposed to wed Brandon." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contemplative Brother Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 This wiki page summarizes that Ned's and Cat's wedding happened in 283 AC, while Bob's and Cersei's took place in 284 AC. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Darwin Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Well, that's Lord Varys' theory, at least. That they got married, had a child (or multiple children), and that Daella eventually died, leaving Dunk free to join the KG. The main objections I personally have against it, is that Dunk is a baseborn no-body from Fleabottom. We see how Davos is treated, despite having been made a Lord. No matter how many great things Dunk will do, he will always be known to the high lords to have been from Fleabottom... That said, I suppose it would be possible if Dunk married Daella after her first husband (or second, even) had died.. Daella was born in 199AC, and Aegon, her former betrothed, marries in 220AC... Daella would have been most likely married by then, if the betrothal had been broken previously.. But once married, Aegon wouldn't have been travelling the country with Dunk as he is doing in the current novella's... Elaena Targaryen was allowed to marry whoever she wanted after husband #2 died, so perhaps, Daella can do the same.. In such a case, they probably won't have been married that long. Selwyn Tarth is 54 in 300AC, IIRC, and thus, his father should have been born somewhere in the 230ties at the latest... And we know that by 236AC, Dunk is a KG knight.. Still, I personally favor another approach, that does include both Dunk and either Daella or Rhae.. with Dunk's daughter marrying Daella's Tarth son, and from that marriage we get Selwyn (this approach would have Dunk marrying around the same time as Egg...) But speculating remains speculating.. We've got very little to go on.. :) fascinating speculating nonetheless!Although I have to ask: do we have any reason to believe Dunk's "connection" to the Tarths has to be legitimate?What I mean is, could it not be a case similar to that of the Plumm heir - as in, the Tarth line did continue through Dunk's kids, but he never married into the family?He could have had a thing with a Lady Tarth at some point even though she was married, which means that he could have even already been in the KG which would make it easier on the timeline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 fascinating speculating nonetheless!Although I have to ask: do we have any reason to believe Dunk's "connection" to the Tarths has to be legitimate?What I mean is, could it not be a case similar to that of the Plumm heir - as in, the Tarth line did continue through Dunk's kids, but he never married into the family?He could have had a thing with a Lady Tarth at some point even though she was married, which means that he could have even already been in the KG which would make it easier on the timeline?The only reason we might have, would be Dunks character, and the difficulty he already has with lying about his knighthood.. further, we've got nothing.So yeah, that possibility also exists, that we get Dunk into the mix in an illegitimate claimThanks!I hope the page is self explanatory enough :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordImp Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 What was actually the deal about Aegon the unworthy? Was he evil or did he just not care? I dont know a lot about the Targ kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 What was actually the deal about Aegon the unworthy? Was he evil or did he just not care? I dont know a lot about the Targ kings.Not evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 In regards to Dunks relation to Brienne, Rhaenys, you point out that Dunk has a hard time lying about his knighthood, but we see him have sex with a woman who is betrothed in sworn sword so it doesn't really seem out of the question to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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