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It might be a little Hollywood, but everyone seems to think that it will be Mel that raises Jon (if he is dead). We saw her show remorse for how she treated Jon in the past. I wonder if somehow she gives Jon the kiss of life? Perhaps Bran shows her what Ned's secret was pretaining to Jon? She could do nothing to save Rob, but she can make it up to Jon

I like the idea that neither Mel, nor Cat or Bran, will resurrect Jon. I hedge the theory that Jon, being both a skinchanger and blood of the dragon, will prove a new kind of blood magic. Like Dany at her hatching of her dragons, Jon will be part of a "Burning Miracle." This miracle being that Jon, at his funeral pyre, will warg back into his own body as it burns and resurrects himself. Mel, being present for the event and a religious fanatic to boot, will view this as a true miracle since it has nothing to do with anything she has any understanding of.

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Brienne kills Jaime for Lady Stoneheart. We next see her at the Quiet Isle, digging graves for her sins. She has company in the person of a certain gravedigger. But she is inconsolable at times.

Cersei wakes up in the night - is that Jaime returned to her? It is! She rushes to him - but he is cold in the moonlight...

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I'm hoping the LS story line will complete Littlefinger's story line. Donderian had a methodology for determining guilt and innocence. We haven't been given much other than Thoros' whining about the new boss and don't actually know if LS has a methodology of her own. The LS killings we've seen were all revenge motivated. Given that Cat wasn't a particularly thoughtful person perhaps all she can do is react, but, the majority of the BWB is still following her and she did give Brienne a choice. LS arc could encompass Nymeria and the pack, the Quiet Isle, the Frey Wedding and Blackfish all along the way to find Sansa at the Vale with LF. Though I suspect Blackfish will be the one to provide Sansa's location once he makes it back to the Vale. It isn't unthinkable for all or some of the characters involved with or in proximity to LS right now to finally bring Howland Reed actively into the story. A whole LOT going down in the Riverlands I don't see LS making it much farther. I hope she gives LF exactly what he deserves and gets at least one of her girls back if only for a moment.


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I'm hoping the LS story line will complete Littlefinger's story line. Donderian had a methodology for determining guilt and innocence. We haven't been given much other than Thoros' whining about the new boss and don't actually know if LS has a methodology of her own. The LS killings we've seen were all revenge motivated. Given that Cat wasn't a particularly thoughtful person perhaps all she can do is react, but, the majority of the BWB is still following her and she did give Brienne a choice. LS arc could encompass Nymeria and the pack, the Quiet Isle, the Frey Wedding and Blackfish all along the way to find Sansa at the Vale with LF. Though I suspect Blackfish will be the one to provide Sansa's location once he makes it back to the Vale. It isn't unthinkable for all or some of the characters involved with or in proximity to LS right now to finally bring Howland Reed actively into the story. A whole LOT going down in the Riverlands I don't see LS making it much farther. I hope she gives LF exactly what he deserves and gets at least one of her girls back if only for a moment.

I agree LS won't have a future, but you made a point with Thoros and how long he will tolerate her. Only reason Beric gave her life and Thoros stayed is because there respect for her husband. It makes since Sansa and Riverlands plot will converge, but I have a feeling that GRRM will have Howland in the North storyline.

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It is not Brienne's oath to Lady Catelyn that made her kidnap Jaime. Its the fates of Podrick and Ser Hyle. Brienne already knows LS isn't the lady she admired once. I hope Thoros, Jeyne and Gendry helps to rescue Pod and Ser Hyle for Brienne. Because, going by Merrett's experience, I doubt Lem and LS will free Pod and Hyle even if Brienne brings them the head of Jaime.


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She'll learn of Rickon being alive and head to him. Jon will find out that (f)Arya isn't who she's supposed to be. When he hears that Rickon is alive, he'll immediately challenge it bc of (f)Arya. (fool me once!) It'll put LSH v Jon Snow. Somehow (haven't worked it out yet) Widow's Wail will be fighting on Jon's side and it'll be Oathkeeper (Ned, "promise me") v Widow's Wail (Cat).


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If Jon Snow ends up killing Stoneheart, I would definitely tear off those pages from the book.



What I would like seeing as the last image we get of Stoneheart would be her standing still, on top of the Twins, while everything is burning. That would be even more impactful if somehow, it would be seen through Sansa's POV, Sansa approaching the Twins on horseback, seeing a hooded figure standing out in the firelight and just slightly tilting her head towards Sansa.


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If Jon Snow ends up killing Stoneheart, I would definitely tear off those pages from the book.

What I would like seeing as the last image we get of Stoneheart would be her standing still, on top of the Twins, while everything is burning. That would be even more impactful if somehow, it would be seen through Sansa's POV, Sansa approaching the Twins on horseback, seeing a hooded figure standing out in the firelight and just slightly tilting her head towards Sansa.

I would also hate for Jon Snow to kill Stoneyheart. So boring.

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At which point Brienne decides that she made her vow to Lady Catelyn Tully, not Lady Stoneheart Maniac-bitch. This is where her arc curves and discovers that vows are bendable/breakable and finds herself empathising with Jaime a LOT more.

Great point. I think this is totally dead on. Nothing is black and white for GRRM, and Brienne has viewed the world as such for a long time.

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At which point Brienne decides that she made her vow to Lady Catelyn Tully, not Lady Stoneheart Maniac-bitch. This is where her arc curves and discovers that vows are bendable/breakable and finds herself empathising with Jaime a LOT more.

Agree but except Brienne others will have to realise Lady Stoneheart is not Catelyn Stark anymore:Edmure(if he survives) and Blackfish.I believe Brienne will take Jaime to Stoneheart completing the oath to her and then she will try to keep him alive.As for Stoneheart I believe she will take Riverrun with Jaime's help(only he can enter Riverrun unsuspected) and restore house Tully.As for how she will die (again) I find Blackfish more possible to kill her out of mercy.

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Agree but except Brienne others will have to realise Lady Stoneheart is not Catelyn Stark anymore:Edmure(if he survives) and Blackfish.I believe Brienne will take Jaime to Stoneheart completing the oath to her and then she will try to keep him alive.As for Stoneheart I believe she will take Riverrun with Jaime's help(only he can enter Riverrun unsuspected) and restore house Tully.As for how she will die (again) I find Blackfish more possible to kill her out of mercy.

I have a feeling Sansa will. that would be poetic.

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Agree but except Brienne others will have to realise Lady Stoneheart is not Catelyn Stark anymore:Edmure(if he survives) and Blackfish.I believe Brienne will take Jaime to Stoneheart completing the oath to her and then she will try to keep him alive.As for Stoneheart I believe she will take Riverrun with Jaime's help(only he can enter Riverrun unsuspected) and restore house Tully.As for how she will die (again) I find Blackfish more possible to kill her out of mercy.

I think Stoneheart sacrifices herself in order to save an important character. Catelyn deserves that much from Martin, I think.

An honorable demise.

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I have a feeling Sansa will. that would be poetic.

Arya/Nymeria seem more possible to me(after Blakcfish).

Perhaps the kiss of life to Jon????

Lady Stoneheart is too far away from the Wall.And I doubt she will give the kiss to anybody as it has been mentioned she is not that kind of person anymore.

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Arya/Nymeria seem more possible to me(after Blakcfish).

Lady Stoneheart is too far away from the Wall.And I doubt she will give the kiss to anybody as it has been mentioned she is not that kind of person anymore.

I get what you are saying but they have a whole book to get her there. Both physically and emotionally. He seem to think she has lost all humanity and it does certainly look that way. There is nothing to say that it stays that way :)

But I get what you are saying

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