Broadchurch (tv show)

[HexMachina]

Wow, Koba is psychic! :eek: :eek: :lol:

I think the Defence lawyers son being in prison is a nice touch that adds another level to her character. And the prosecutor caring for her Mam and being in areas...they are doing a great job at fleshing out these characters imo.

Beth giving birth and Ellie assisting was very good. I liked that they were able.to confront each other at last. I think the more they speak to each other the sooner they will be able to move past it all.

The trial is tricky...the Defence are building a fairly strong counter-argument despite the overwhelming evidence against them.

I like the actresses who play Miller and Claire together. The characters have a sort of awkward relationship with each other (only natural since Ellie has been forced into it) that the actresses phll off well.

Hmmm...I'm not entirely convinced of Lee's guilt anymore. Sure, he has done his own investigating so its likely to be slightly biased but it does raise questions.

I think Claire is lying to Miller too. She is far too suspicious a character.

The judge seems highly biased towards the Defence imo...

The affair question? :o Yikes! That wasn't nice. Kind of surprised me. Don't really believe they had an affair though. Not in the slightest. Felt very sorry for Ellie as she was been questioned.

Favourite episode of the Season so far

[Jack Bauer 24]

Judge is way too biased for the defense.

[Commodore]

did they explain why the confession that came before the attack was inadmissible?

listening to that defense lawyer is like nails on a chalkboard

[HexMachina]

did they explain why the confession that came before the attack was inadmissible?

listening to that defense lawyer is like nails on a chalkboard

I don't remember exactly, but I dont think they were able to show whether he was attacked before the confession or after. Not entirely sure though. I guess also that if you are attacked AFTER a confession, the confession itself could have been made under a threat of violence

Damnit this is why I binge watch, otherwise I start to forget things!ETA: Do you mean listening to the actress' voice? Or the character of the defence barrister? I like both the actress and character tbh, she [the defence barrister] is only doing her job. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial and all that, and I am glad she hasn't let personal bias get in the way of achieving that (I mean, she has a son too, this can't be easy for her to defend a hild killer)

[red snow]

did they explain why the confession that came before the attack was inadmissible?

listening to that defense lawyer is like nails on a chalkboard

The reasoning was that even though the recorded attack was after the confession they had no way of knowing if he had been attacked prior or threatened with violence to confess. If he hadn't been beaten then the idea of him being co-erced into it wouldn't have held water.

I think people posting should be aware this isn't a spoiler thread - there could be people who haven't seen any of season 2 yet nevermind season 1. It clearly hasn't caught on in a big way in the USA yet or there'd be more vocal complaints by now. I'm aware of the hypocrisy/futility of using spoilers when quoting spoilers though :)

I don't remember exactly, but I dont think they were able to show whether he was attacked before the confession or after. Not entirely sure though. I guess also that if you are attacked AFTER a confession, the confession itself could have been made under a threat of violence

Damnit this is why I binge watch, otherwise I start to forget things!ETA: Do you mean listening to the actress' voice? Or the character of the defence barrister? I like both the actress and character tbh, she [the defence barrister] is only doing her job. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial and all that, and I am glad she hasn't let personal bias get in the way of achieving that (I mean, she has a son too, this can't be easy for her).

I think there's a strong flavour of "TV drama is on the side of the defence" more than anything else here. If it was an innocent person on trial I'm sure it would have gone the other way. I was a bit saddenned that Ellie wasn't stronger under questioning. She did a fairly good job but it would have been nice to see her totally own the situation. She is a good cop and I'd have thought she'd have prepared far better. But again - the drama is getting in the way much like how the super prosecution seems a bit poor. Seems like she's overdue a character reverlation that allows her to pull off a rocky.

I'm still enjoying the show a lot though. There's a lot of great moments popping up

I really liked the exchange between the vicar and the dad as I could understand both reactions. I think the dad's behaviour is more rational than the mum's treatment of Ellie anyhow. While I thought Latimer (sandford murderer) may be innocent - it was a surprise to see he's been investigating the crime himself. That doesn't seem like the action of a guilty man. Could his wife have done it alone or is all this talk about finding "the one" actually another guy? Maybe she was jealous of the babysitter's glances? Speaking of, they made the mum at the window seem very sinister in that flashback.

[Jack Bauer 24]

The reasoning was that even though the recorded attack was after the confession they had no way of knowing if he had been attacked prior or threatened with violence to confess. If he hadn't been beaten then the idea of him being co-erced into it wouldn't have held water.

I think people posting should be aware this isn't a spoiler thread - there could be people who haven't seen any of season 2 yet nevermind season 1. It clearly hasn't caught on in a big way in the USA yet or there'd be more vocal complaints by now. I'm aware of the hypocrisy/futility of using spoilers when quoting spoilers though :)

I think there's a strong flavour of "TV drama is on the side of the defence" more than anything else here. If it was an innocent person on trial I'm sure it would have gone the other way. I was a bit saddenned that Ellie wasn't stronger under questioning. She did a fairly good job but it would have been nice to see her totally own the situation. She is a good cop and I'd have thought she'd have prepared far better. But again - the drama is getting in the way much like how the super prosecution seems a bit poor. Seems like she's overdue a character reverlation that allows her to pull off a rocky.

I'm still enjoying the show a lot though. There's a lot of great moments popping up

I really liked the exchange between the vicar and the dad as I could understand both reactions. I think the dad's behaviour is more rational than the mum's treatment of Ellie anyhow. While I thought Latimer (sandford murderer) may be innocent - it was a surprise to see he's been investigating the crime himself. That doesn't seem like the action of a guilty man. Could his wife have done it alone or is all this talk about finding "the one" actually another guy? Maybe she was jealous of the babysitter's glances? Speaking of, they made the mum at the window seem very sinister in that flashback.

Isn't

Lee Ashworth the guy from Sandbrook? Latimer is Broadchurch family.

[HexMachina]

Red Snow, I will edit in my spoiler tags if you want to snip the quote. I did mean to add them actually. In response to some of what you said:

I think it was in character for.Ellie to break under cross-examination. Yes she was a good cop but recent events have obviously knocked her confidence and self-esteem. She still has moments of strength, like when Beth gave birth, but she has certainly deteriorated in he rmental state. Or at least, that is how it appears to me. I thought the scene where she asked her one night stand to tell her hebloved her showed how broken this has left her

And yes, JB is correct. The Latimer family are the parents and sister of Danny

[HexMachina]

Oh, and my potentially out there suspicion is that:

Claire killed those two girls, the older blonde girl out of jealousy and the younger sister because she witnessed it. She keeps saying that she is obsessed with Lee, that he is like a drug, but it seems very one-sided to me. The little flashback we got from Lee suggests that the older sister was a bit flirtatious with him. Even if nothing happened between them, I can see Claire killing her because she is possessive if Lee.

Maybe a bit wild a suspicion but hey, we haven't got too much to go on yet.

[red snow]

Isn't

Lee Ashworth the guy from Sandbrook? Latimer is Broadchurch family.

Yeah, that's just me getting names mixed up.

[red snow]

Oh, and my potentially out there suspicion is that:

Claire killed those two girls, the older blonde girl out of jealousy and the younger sister because she witnessed it. She keeps saying that she is obsessed with Lee, that he is like a drug, but it seems very one-sided to me. The little flashback we got from Lee suggests that the older sister was a bit flirtatious with him. Even if nothing happened between them, I can see Claire killing her because she is possessive if Lee.

Maybe a bit wild a suspicion but hey, we haven't got too much to go on yet.

I think that's a pretty good theory.

[HexMachina]

I think that's a pretty good theory.

I hope I am right, I never usually guess these things until its glaringly obvious :p

[Filippa Eilhart]

there's only two people the killer can be at the moment

and since we're supposed to think it's Lee it probably wasn't. They should introduce some more characters, otherwise it will be a bit obvious. Unless of course it was Hardy :p

[red snow]

there's only two people the killer can be at the moment

and since we're supposed to think it's Lee it probably wasn't. They should introduce some more characters, otherwise it will be a bit obvious. Unless of course it was Hardy :P

that's a good point although they did bring up 2-3 other suspects this week in conversation. Unless they start chasing non-cast members but that seems a bit of a cheat and less satisfying than the usual mantra of meeting the killer in the first act. I guess the mystery isn't the main premise this season though

[Kobayashi Maru]

Ok, here's my crazy theory.

Neither of them did it but they both think it was the other one so they are still aqward with each other. She was drugged by baby sitter who was trying to seduce him, something went wrong and young girl ended up dead, baby sitter fled the scene. She is still missing right. Lee gets home finds chaos and starts kleaning up cause he thinks it was wife, she wakes up sees him clean and thinks he did it....or something like that. I'm probably wrong though it sounds too crazy and complicated.

Defense lawyer is great. She is doing her job and se is doing it good, bit sleazy but goo. Judge is a bit too on her side. I mean to let her produce theories like that as they were facts...I know it is not us court and things are different but in us shows there would be at least 5 "your honor objection, speculation"s there. Or at least 1 badgering the witness or something like that. I like miss Rampling and I love how both her character and defence lawyer were portraied but where is that case she is building. So far sge didn't do anything impressive and she is supposed to be this great lawyer. Maybe it's just for the drama effdct, they want us to get worried she'll lose and then she maies big comeback. I hope so, cause she is borderline incompetent in court.

I think Ellie was doing great up hntill the point lawyer acused her of having a affair. And the actress played her breaking down perfectly.

I like her and Hardy's dynamic now, he's not her boss antmore so she is not trying to control her temper and she's yelljng af him.

As always, cinematography is briliant. It's not an epic show, od period show it's police show, i vestigation show so the estetics are a bit kimited but whoever id doing photography is makibg art there. They're practically makung every line, every shadow, every angle count. Just in this episode I had couple of wow moments wit that sunrise. Even the scene of the crash when lawyer lady is standing next tk her car under a street light...so beautiful.

I think Beth will eventually come around but for now we see Mark and daughter trying to understand and be nice.

[Eddard Stark is online]

I'm late to the game and just found out about series 2. Do they have a good "Previously on Broadchurch" thing at the beginning? Cos all I can remember is they solved the lad's murder (I don't remember how or who did it) and that Pauline Quirke was creepy and brilliant. And she lived in a caravan.

[red snow]

Ok, here's my crazy theory.

Neither of them did it but they both think it was the other one so they are still aqward with each other. She was drugged by baby sitter who was trying to seduce him, something went wrong and young girl ended up dead, baby sitter fled the scene. She is still missing right. Lee gets home finds chaos and starts kleaning up cause he thinks it was wife, she wakes up sees him clean and thinks he did it....or something like that. I'm probably wrong though it sounds too crazy and complicated.

Defense lawyer is great. She is doing her job and se is doing it good, bit sleazy but goo. Judge is a bit too on her side. I mean to let her produce theories like that as they were facts...I know it is not us court and things are different but in us shows there would be at least 5 "your honor objection, speculation"s there. Or at least 1 badgering the witness or something like that. I like miss Rampling and I love how both her character and defence lawyer were portraied but where is that case she is building. So far sge didn't do anything impressive and she is supposed to be this great lawyer. Maybe it's just for the drama effdct, they want us to get worried she'll lose and then she maies big comeback. I hope so, cause she is borderline incompetent in court.

I think Ellie was doing great up hntill the point lawyer acused her of having a affair. And the actress played her breaking down perfectly.

I like her and Hardy's dynamic now, he's not her boss antmore so she is not trying to control her temper and she's yelljng af him.

As always, cinematography is briliant. It's not an epic show, od period show it's police show, i vestigation show so the estetics are a bit kimited but whoever id doing photography is makibg art there. They're practically makung every line, every shadow, every angle count. Just in this episode I had couple of wow moments wit that sunrise. Even the scene of the crash when lawyer lady is standing next tk her car under a street light...so beautiful.

I think Beth will eventually come around but for now we see Mark and daughter trying to understand and be nice.

That's another fun theory. I'd like to see the characters' faces if that is indeed the case!

[The Anti-Targ]

I haven't seen episode 3 of S2 yet, so I won't read any spoiler text. We are a week behind.

I thought season 1 suffered from major red herringitis, just as all these crime dramas do that drag out a murder mystery over the course of 8-10 episodes. The formula is pretty annoying in that you absolutely know that anyone on whom suspicion is placed prior to the final episode is guaranteed not to be the culprit. I got annoyed with the Killing for doing that every frikken season, so I am really glad that S2 of Broadchurch is not just another episodic murder mystery. So aside from getting annoyed at bad judicial process for dramatic effect, I expect to enjoy this season more than S1.

[Eddard Stark is online]

I've just watched episode 1 of the new series and all I can say is

Charlotte Rampling!!!!

Speaking of whom, my god she really hasn't aged a day has she? I should think the last thing I saw her in was 15-odd years ago and she looks exactly the same.

Oh, and obviously episode 1 was brilliant. Massively exceeded my expectations. I was slightly anxious about a second series after seeing how Peaky Blinders dropped the ball so spectatularly after the first series, which had left me of a mind that no single-series concept show should ever have a second series. What a relief it seems I was wrong about that. :D Not really worth me saying much else as you lot are all 2 eps ahead of me, but I'll try n watch the other 2 tonight so I can join in the conversation properly.

[red snow]

I've just watched episode 1 of the new series and all I can say is

Charlotte Rampling!!!!

Speaking of whom, my god she really hasn't aged a day has she? I should think the last thing I saw her in was 15-odd years ago and she looks exactly the same.

Oh, and obviously episode 1 was brilliant. Massively exceeded my expectations. I was slightly anxious about a second series after seeing how Peaky Blinders dropped the ball so spectatularly after the first series, which had left me of a mind that no single-series concept show should ever have a second series. What a relief it seems I was wrong about that. :D Not really worth me saying much else as you lot are all 2 eps ahead of me, but I'll try n watch the other 2 tonight so I can join in the conversation properly.

If you're a rampling fan you may want to check out the final season of Dexter. Never thought I'd be saying that.

[Eddard Stark is online]

If you're a rampling fan you may want to check out the final season of Dexter. Never thought I'd be saying that.

Hey thanks for the tip. I've only seen series 1-6 of Dexter. I am sort of dreading the final series, as I've heard how hated it is. Better get my skates on with series 7 then, eh?

(Also just found out on Wikipedia that Rampling isn't actually half-French, I've just seen her in that many French films I thought she must be.)