Queen.Sansa.Lannister Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimiya Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yessssssssd.That wasn't honorable.For this small mistakefu*k you Tywin.You deserved to die.:O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavosBolton Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 How big is Ice compared to Dawn? They are both greatswords, yet Ned and Robb claimed that Ice cannot be used in combat, while Arthur Dayne has no problem killing elite warriors like the Smiling Knight while using Dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippounet Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 In book narrative it makes sense as a symbol of the downfall or House Stark, similar to the sack of Winterfell Not just in the books, it made for a great intro in the show as well. I never was angry at Tywin, just sad that it meant the Starks had trully and utterly lost the war. I don't think it was a dick move at all. It was a symbol of the Lannister's power, a great gift to the then king, and a smart way to make use of a weapon which, as it was, begged to be reclaimed. I may be in the minority here, but I think it was actually a great idea. In the long-run, the Starks will get their revenge, and possibly other great swords (the original ice, lightbringer... ). And Tywin now is dead. The Lannister house is dying. The Starks, on the other hand, have a lot of potential for a come-back. It was a sad moment in the story, but it will only make the Stark come-back all the more thrilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maid So Fair Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I wasn't all that attached to the sword and the idea that Tywin was going to keep it didn't bother me all that much, but it really annoyed me that he had to actually melt it down. What was wrong with having a greatsword? Did you REALLY need two VS swords, eh Tywin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 To the victor goes the spoils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes like Frey Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'd rather Brienne have Oathkeeper while looking for the Starks than Ilyn Payne having Ice. I kind of saw Ice as a Lannister weapon since they used it to execute Ned anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 No. I don't care about ice. Jaime and Joff didn't use greatswords so might as well get two for the price of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aemond's Eye Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'll be more annoyed if the swords don't eventually somehow end up in the hands of the Stark children at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yes, I am angry. A really shitty act it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I didn't mind. In just angry at King Tommen 2 for losing Brightroar.Starks have had swords called Ice before, and now Arya can rename Needle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Well , so awesome weapon.Probably one of the deadliest.Two handed sword , valyrian steel swords weight less and are sharper ,so ice is and awesome sword.Tywin melted it down.I understand if it was a random valyrian steel sword , but that was kind of a historical sword.It should be kept as an antique or something like that.When Ned killed Dayne , he gave Dawn to House Dayne.Tywin should at least spare it in one piece. considering it's not the real original Ice, i can forgive. The real original Ice, is an Other weapon, currently being wielded by 13th Lord Commander Stark, aka The Night's King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragons Hand Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Yes.And I find myself surprised by the fact, spooky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analeigh Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I was angry. I understand the meaning behind it for Tywin to take it for his family, but it's just another thing for the remaining Starks to deal with when they return to power. I did appreciate Sansa's reaction though, when she noticed Ilyn Payne no longer had Ice. The sword may have been with the Starks for only 400 years, but it has meaning to the Stark kids and I hope that both swords find their way back to their hands at some point. Here's hoping Oathkeeper really does end up being a weapon that saves Sansa and/or Arya's life. And throwing out a prayer that Arya infiltrates King's Landing, stumbles upon Widow's Wail, and steals the sword back to pass on to Rickon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell is Burning Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 To me it was one of those things (along with screwing Shae) that showed how small Tywin really was. Each house's ancestral blade has meaning because of the history that it represents. Oathkeeper never would have had that kind of meaning for House Lannister because it was stolen from the Starks. It was their history, not the Lannisters'. Tywin's desire to have a sword is an expression of his own narcissism. He wants everybody to see how big and powerful his house is. That's why he sacked King's Landing to show that not even the Targaryens were above them. He couldn't bear the Lannister's not having a Valyrian sword because then there was an aspect in which other "lesser" houses were superior to them. It was petty. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greenseer Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 How big is Ice compared to Dawn? They are both greatswords, yet Ned and Robb claimed that Ice cannot be used in combat, while Arthur Dayne has no problem killing elite warriors like the Smiling Knight while using Dawn. When was that ever said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 How big is Ice compared to Dawn? They are both greatswords, yet Ned and Robb claimed that Ice cannot be used in combat, while Arthur Dayne has no problem killing elite warriors like the Smiling Knight while using Dawn. Nobody ever said that. Ice is very much combat-ready and a huge advantage. Well, was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visenya Stark Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Very angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavosBolton Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Nobody ever said that. Ice is very much combat-ready and a huge advantage. Well, was. Oh, my bad then. I thought I heard that it was too large and cumbersome to wield in battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theon {HUNGRY WOLF} Stark Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Oh, my bad then. I thought I heard that it was too large and cumbersome to wield in battle. Mayhaps you misinterpreted the comment by Bran that Ice was bigger even than Robb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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