corbon Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 But how does that change the fact that he said Jon is 8-9 months older? He's saying he's not going to detail everything down to months and days, but he's not talking about Jon. Jon he did give a specific timeline. He's saying everything else that he finally gets around too will not be so detailed. I think the 'problem' here is more likely to be the '1 year' siege, or the timing at the start of it. We have plenty of other evidence that fits Jon's birth datejust right. So if I'm understanding this correctly, you're telling us to either ignore what GRRM says, or to twist it, so that it can fit R+L=J with Jon being born at the TOJ, instead of accepting GRRM's stated timeline, which fits with what he's written, in that Jon is Ned's son. Okay, gotcha. Actually its just the opposite. The person claiming the 8-9 months is a deception on GRRMs part is a regular crackpot - seriously, proposing really out there ideas and arguing them vigourously (but not rigourously, IMO), not a 'regular' R+L=J adherent. Twinslayer made a real point. We now have some competing dating information. I think though that the emphasis was immediately placed in the wrong area. We know that the Battle of the Bells was several months (3-4 usually estimated) into the war already. Ned has to get home, banners have to be called, internal battles fought, armies marched south etc etc all before BoBs. We know that the war lasted 'about a year' and dates from Jon Arryn calling his banners. Everything else so far tallies with those numbers. Now this information says the siege didn't start till after the BoB, but still went for 12 months but that doesn't fit independent of Jon. Most likely, the year long seige time is a slight exaggeration. Remember, it was a significant Baratheon feat, and tWoIaF is written sucking up to the Baratheon ruling family (and its Lannnister allies). Everything actually still fits within some wiggle room. The war is about a year long. BoBs is 3 month in. Robb is conceived by month 3-4. Jon is conceived roughly the same time, perhaps slightly after. Sack of KL is month 12ish. Ned rides to SE (1-4 weeks after sack) and relives the siege (9-10 months long siege, more or less ) Ned finds Lyanna (and Jon) at ToJ around 2-6 weeks after Sack, so around month 13 birth for Jon War lasts 'about a year'. Robb and Jon are 'of an age' but Jon maybe slightly younger as per Catelyn's belief. Seige of SE was a bit less than 12 months, but close enough for a bit of brown-nosed stretching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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