Will Stannis have a role to play in the upcoming Aegon vs Euron vs Dany conflict?

[The Blue Knight]

Whatever happens, I want a Dany/Stannis alliance to fight off the Others.

However, if the Others prove to be merely a distraction from the ultimate fight for the throne, I want:

1- The main players to forget about Stannis, while he gathers his strenght

2- for Dany to win the throne at great cost (including her dragons)

3- An lastly for Stannis and co. to appear in the throne room just when Dany sits the Iron Throne and thinks/talks about her winning the war because she is the 'blood of the dragon' (God, I hate that phrase).

Stannis and Dany will never be in an alliance together. It's just impossible. Both have huge entitlement complexes.

Stannis would see himself as the rightful king at all costs, he will sacrifice everything to get what is in his mind his rightful throne. Dany is an obstacle, and Mel won't be too keen on Dany either.

Dany will see Stannis as one of "the usurper's dogs" and will kill him at first chance through her rage.

[Mithras]

I think that you might be right, but you're forgetting one very important player: The Blackfish. If you're prediction is correct, then when Rickon is crowned, Blackfish will try and turn the Riverlands against Dany: which he will be able to do (think about it, the Riverlords have more honour than fear). So when the dust has settled, a victorious Dany could be facing Rickon's North-Riverlands Kingdom. In other words, we will have a Drogon vs Shaggydog :)!

I said Rickon might be crowned after Stannis dies. Surely, Stannis is not bringing him to install as a king :)

The North will be honor bound to obey King Stannis (The King Who Cared) after the Freys and Boltons are done. Jon will learn his true parents, he might even learn Robb's will but he will not make any claim. He will tell the Northern Lords to declare for Stannis. Any other option will be out of character for Jon.

The North will be defeated and retreat. Blackfish has little reason to defy a victorious Dany with dragons. He can either join fAegon or Dany at that point. I think Dany will get good counsel and promise to burn the Twins in order to get the support of the River Lords. Such an action has the chance to send this message to the North "My quarrel was with Stannis and it ended when he fell. Now you can come and bend knee to me. I will pardon you for fighting me under the banner of Stannis. You can see that I am destroying the Freys and helping your allies in Riverlands."

Of course, Jon will prevent the Northmen going South to fight civil wars once more. He will be the practical ruler of the North and prepare the defenses against the growing threat of the Others.

So your theory is that Dany will land in the North?

I think the first thing Dany will do is to take Dragonstone. After that, she will face Stannis. Once Stannis is dead, she will have the allegiance of the Vale and start landing her forces from Pentos which she will have sacked already. She will not bring much Essossi forces to Westeros. She will bring only the elite and experienced soldiers. She will look for Westerosi allies.

[Lord Rupert Connington]

The North will be defeated and retreat.

This depends on where the battle will take place. If it takes place in the Neck, then I think the Crannogmen will win the battle for Stannis and the North -even with dragons present. If the battle takes place anywhere else, however, I'm sure that it's an easy win for Dany and co.

But in order for Dany to reach Stannis, she has to get past a huge obstacle: Daven. Even if she wins against the remaining Lannister forces in the Riverlands, her army will be weakened by the fighting, so it makes little sense for her and her host to crawl up the neck in order to be slaughtered by Crannogmen. That's my own humble opinion, though, but maybe Daven might have had enough of Cersei's antics and the Frey's arrogance by this point, so he might just support Tyrion when he arrives with Dany -I think that a Lannister civil war would be awesome :).

[Mithras]

This depends on where the battle will take place. If it takes place in the Neck, then I think the Crannogmen will win the battle for Stannis and the North -even with dragons present. If the battle takes place anywhere else, however, I'm sure that it's an easy win for Dany and co.

But in order for Dany to reach Stannis, she has to get past a huge obstacle: Daven. Even if she wins against the remaining Lannister forces in the Riverlands, her army will be weakened by the fighting, so it makes little sense for her and her host to crawl up the neck in order to be slaughtered by Crannogmen. That's my own humble opinion, though, but maybe Daven might have had enough of Cersei's antics and the Frey's arrogance by this point, so he might just support Tyrion when he arrives with Dany -I think that a Lannister civil war would be awesome :).

I think Daven will soon be killed in the Red Wedding 2.0 at Riverrun long before Dany comes.

Iam not sure where the battle between Stannis and Dany take place or will there be single battle. A sea battle is more likely to take place in the Narrow Sea.

[Lord Rupert Connington]

I think Daven will soon be killed in the Red Wedding 2.0 at Riverrun long before Dany comes.

Iam not sure where the battle between Stannis and Dany take place or will there be single battle. A sea battle is more likely to take place in the Narrow Sea.

Why would Daven's wedding take place at Riverrun? Also, Genna is very cautious and smart. She has a garrison of 200 and I don't think that the brotherhood could defeat them.

[sbdx80]

Some of these posts, including the one who started the thread are pretty far off. Sansa does not control the Vale, nor does she have any right to do so. She is only worth anything to Petyr because as far as he knows she is the Heir of Winterfell - that's the North, not the Vale. Petyr technically controls the Riverlands as he's the Lord of Harrenhall, but the actual power in the Riverlands is the Freys - and he knows this. He barely has control of the Vale as Lord Protector so long as the Lords Declarant tolerate him - though he does have an alliance with Lyn Corbray. He has the potential to control three of the kingdoms, but none of them are firmly in his grasp. But Sansa has no power whatsoever, and with Rickon alive she is the #2 heir behind him.

Dany will not ally with Rickon, Stannis, or anyone else from houses Stark, Baratheon, or Lannister - these are her blood enemies, period - remmeber that they killed her entire family. If you think she will do this then I think you must be falling victim to the Stark=Good Guys, Lannister=Bad Guys syndrome - which is not how GRRM writes. Dorne is her natural ally, but her rebuffing of Qwentyn's offer of marriage closed that door. Dorne will likely ally with Aegon, and Dany will not share power with the "mummer's dragon". Dany will be fighting everyone - perhaps Littlefinger might see a winner when she lands and join her?

Stannis and the Northmen will be too busy fighting the Others to care about what is happening south.

Euron has something up his sleeve and will likely get one of Dany's dragons, killing his brother in the process. My feeling is that he'll attack King's Landing with the Iron Fleet and riding Viserion or Rhaegon - taking the city and forcing Cersei into a marriage with him - killing the sparrows, faith militant, and high septon's peeps - and thus saving her life from execution after Sandor Clegane defeats Ser Robert Strong in battle. As the scourge of the Crow's eye moves across the land, it will be countered by the arrival of Dany and her army. Over King's Landing there will be a second Dance of Dragons - I imagine Dany will win, Cersei will escape to Casterly Rock to get strangled by the Valquonar, and the Others will sweep across the land in force to wipe out humanity for good. Aegon and Dany will be at each others throats but will have to band together to face this great threat.

Ancient truths will be uncovered, such as who are the others and where did they come from - I think they come from magic released by the Children of the Forest - the same magic that causes the long seasons - because of the genocide caused by the First Men. The only question is how Jon (Snow) Targaryen fits into all of this? I know he is the piece to the puzzle, but how?

[The_Noctua]

Stannis and Dany will never be in an alliance together. It's just impossible. Both have huge entitlement complexes.

Stannis would see himself as the rightful king at all costs, he will sacrifice everything to get what is in his mind his rightful throne. Dany is an obstacle, and Mel won't be too keen on Dany either.

Dany will see Stannis as one of "the usurper's dogs" and will kill him at first chance through her rage.

Yes, but I think that Dany and Stannis would find an alliance with each other a better alternative to the Others.

[Justin Amey]

At this point, let us assume that the Lannisters are no longer in power, Aegon has taken the throne, Euron is still causing havoc in the South, Dany has landed and Stannis: has defeated the Boltons, rallied the North behind his cause and has made Rickon his puppet Lord of Winterfell.

One would assume that after Stannis restores Winterfell to the Starks, the Riverlords would also throw their lot behind him. I personally believe that the pro-Stark Riverlords (Mallisters, Blackwoods, Pipers etc.) will join Dany after she burns The Twins and restores House Tully.

I think that the one player who could make a difference, in this case, is Sansa: she could be in control of the Vale and have the option to join either Stannis/Rickon, Euron, Aegon or Dany, OR she could call ALL of them usurpers and start her own campaign as Queen of the Vale. I think that Sansa will do whatever Petyr tells her to do: which I have no idea what will be.

Obviously with the winter causing havoc in the North, and soon, everywhere else, neither Aegon, Euron or Dany would have any interest in the North: however, by the time the fighting in the South is done, and I'm sure that all armies will be severely weakened, could the Stark/Baratheon alliance have the upper hand over the victor in the Euron vs Dany vs Aegon conflict?

couple things that confuses me to no end:

1 Both Aegon and Dany have the same mindset when it comes to who their enemies are. What makes you think that either of them will accept being allies to any house that betrayed them.

2 Restore House Tully? By Catelyn Tully Marrying Ned stark gave him the army needed to oppose house Targaryen, I know Dany knows this, Why would she fight for them?

3Why is everybody is convinced that Aegon and Dany are going to fight each other. Aegon come to Conquer westeros so he could marry her.

Stannis and Dany will never be in an alliance together. It's just impossible. Both have huge entitlement complexes.

Stannis would see himself as the rightful king at all costs, he will sacrifice everything to get what is in his mind his rightful throne. Dany is an obstacle, and Mel won't be too keen on Dany either.

Dany will see Stannis as one of "the usurper's dogs" and will kill him at first chance through her rage.

Why does everybody make an entitlement complex between Stannis and Dany so Evil, but good when it involves someone else. Any single man and woman noble of a house edcated has a entitlement complexif that is the case.

For the most part both don't really have Entitlement Complexes, they were both Robbed of postion rightfully belonging to them and they want it back.

[Stannis's birthright]

Much of this depends on what size army does Dany bring to Dragonstone .. Unsullied Ironborn Dorthraki ... I'm still not sure how much help the horse lords can be in the Winter that has come .. If she unleashes those rapist on Westros I can't see her getting much support .. She will face FAegon first ..Stannis second ..he is more than a match for Barristen or Jorah as a general so it closer than everyone expects. Stannis will never kneel to her or anyone that's for sure

[Lord Rupert Connington]

Much of this depends on what size army does Dany bring to Dragonstone .. Unsullied Ironborn Dorthraki ... I'm still not sure how much help the horse lords can be in the Winter that has come .. If she unleashes those rapist on Westros I can't see her getting much support .. She will face FAegon first ..Stannis second ..he is more than a match for Barristen or Jorah as a general so it closer than everyone expects. Stannis will never kneel to her or anyone that's for sure

Well, if, by this point, Dany has beaten Aegon, I'm sure that Stannis will have the sense to bend the knee -he knows that the throne has been taken by a Targ, and he will respect that. The question is whether or not Dany would be willing to forgive the North or Stannis for being Robert's lapdogs.

[Stannis's birthright]

I really can't see Stannis ever bending a knee to anyone with all the he has gone through or a the garbage Mel is filling his head with . There is nothing in the text that leads me to believe that Stannis has any respect for the Targaryen claim to the throne . He if living will fight Dany for it if he must but he know the others are the true threat

[Guard of the Rainking]

I really can't see Stannis ever bending a knee to anyone with all the he has gone through or a the garbage Mel is filling his head with . There is nothing in the text that leads me to believe that Stannis has any respect for the Targaryen claim to the throne . He if living will fight Dany for it if he must but he know the others are the true threat

He seems to respect Aegon I, and he said that the choice between Aerys and Robert was the hardest choice that he ever made.

[The Dragons Hand]

It's Drogon's rider vs Rhaegal's rider

Black

Vs

Green

Get hype.

Dany vs Victarion? *Euron later?* Jon?

Where does Stannis fit in? Not with the Ironborn, that's for certain. With Jon? That's more likely.

Or George might mess with us and have Aegon ride Viserion as the second side. Black vs White, a conflict that never happens to in ASOIAF. I'm more inclined to believe it is Tyrion riding Viserion, playing both sides.

ETA: Stannis will likely not bend a knee to Daenerys. She is in something of a similar situation to Rhaenyra Targaryen.