Knight Of Winter Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 What constitutes Kinslaying, exactly? - Murdering family with your own hands (e.g. Tyrion) - Fighting a against family and slaying them (e.g. Prince Maekar) - Ordering someone to murder family (e.g. Stannis) If the third qualifies as Kinslaying, then is Stannis cursed and doomed to fail? First two for sure qualify, while 3rd is also almost certain. And curses don't exist in-story. Kinslayers are resented because people of Westeros consider kinslying to be disgusting and contrary to their society's beliefs, not because some divine bolt of retribution will strike kinslayer down. Whether Stannis succeeds or fails depends on his abilities and other circumstances, and not on his involvement in kinslying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perplexed_mind Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 First two for sure qualify, while 3rd is also almost certain. And curses don't exist in-story. Kinslayers are resented because people of Westeros consider kinslying to be disgusting and contrary to their society's beliefs, not because some divine bolt of retribution will strike kinslayer down. Whether Stannis succeeds or fails depends on his abilities and other circumstances, and not on his involvement in kinslying. What about the famous phrase..."no man is so accursed as the kinslayer" Also, this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 " Any individual who slays a member of their own family is believed to be cursed forever in the sight of gods and men.[1] Many Lords and smallfolk believe this and thus those who slay their own blood are usually looked down upon or shunned. There is a saying, in the religions of both the old gods or new gods, stating that "no man is so accursed as the kinslayer"."From Wiki of Ice and Fire People BELIVE kinslayers to be cursed. I doesen't mean they trurly are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 And who'd call Stannis Baratheon a kinslayer? That is all very well, but Stannis did not, in fact, kill his brother. He did neither commit nor plan nor make a contract on the murder of Renly. Melisandre may have told him she had foreseen Stannis' victory and the fact that Renly would die, but not the matter of Renly's death. Otherwise, he'd understand the nightmare of dreaming of killing Renly, but he doesn't: "I dream of it sometimes. Of Renly's dying. A green tent, candles, a woman screaming. And blood." Stannis looked down at his hands. "I was still abed when he died. Your Devan will tell you. He tried to wake me. Dawn was nigh and my lords were waiting, fretting. I should have been ahorse, armored. I knew Renly would attack at break of day. Devan says I thrashed and cried out, but what does it matter? It was a dream. I was in my tent when Renly died, and when I woke my hands were clean."ACoK 42 Davos II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Could a red priest create a shadows soldier from his hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Could a red priest create a shadows soldier from his hands? We've met to few red priests to know. Thoros probably couldn't. Melisandre coulds but she is a shadowbinder of Asshai. Moqqurro is a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBarber Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Is there a definitive thread that discusses the authenticity or lack thereofof Aegon VI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Is there a definitive thread that discusses the authenticity or lack thereofof Aegon VI? There are so very very many threads discussing whether he's a Blackfyre or a Brightflame or a Blackfyre/Brightflame, or a Targaryen or a random Valyrian looking boy. A few google results.. 1. 2. 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Is there a definitive thread that discusses the authenticity or lack thereofof Aegon VI? I've used "search" and I 've found nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Ohhhh... now I noticed that I've read Aegon IV instead of Aegon VIFirst day of school after 2,5 week... my brain isn't working. At school during PE I've forgot in which time I am and I've nearly scored a goal for second team .... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Would Tywin prefer Stannis as his kid over Tyrion,Jaimie,and Cersei? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Would Tywin prefer Stannis as his kid over Tyrion,Jaimie,and Cersei? Stannis cares too much about justice and honor to be good Lannister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Could a red priest create a shadows soldier from his hands? It seems to require a man and a woman. I'm also pretty sure that it was being a shadowbinder that allowed Melisandre to do this, not her affiliation with the church of the red god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 And who'd call Stannis Baratheon a kinslayer? That is all very well, but Stannis did not, in fact, kill his brother. He did neither commit nor plan nor make a contract on the murder of Renly. Melisandre may have told him she had foreseen Stannis' victory and the fact that Renly would die, but not the matter of Renly's death. Otherwise, he'd understand the nightmare of dreaming of killing Renly, but he doesn't: ACoK 42 Davos IIThe question would make for a fun moot court exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Is there a definitive thread that discusses the authenticity or lack thereofof Aegon VI?No. It's scattered about dozens of threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatOfThe_Canals Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 does anyone else see every single frey as a mcpoyle from always sunny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of thrones Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I haven't read the books yet, but I've heard some things about hardhome. So what is it all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Hardhome was only town beyond the wall. It was destroyed few hundred years ago by unknown cataclism. There are multiple theories about this place. Lord Commander Jon Snow sent Cotter Pyke to rescue wildlings who after Mance's fall flew there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of thrones Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Hardhome was only town beyond the wall. It was destroyed few hundred years ago by unknown cataclism. There are multiple theories about this place. Lord Commander Jon Snow sent Cotter Pyke to rescue wildlings who after Mance's fall flew there And which one is the most believable theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 And which one is the most believable theory? Field testing for the Doom of Valyria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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