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If you subscribe to the theory that the order of the champions for Lord Ashford's daughter in "The Hedge Knight" corresponds to the men that Sansa was betrothed to, after Harry Hardyng she is going to be betrothed to a Targaryan. Many think this will be Aegon, but there is the strong chance he is not really a Targaryan, and even if he is he may not live long enough to meet her, or end up marrying Daenerys. There are a few clues that Sansa may marry Jon.



First, of the Stark children, she is the only one who never referred to Jon as her brother - only as a half-brother, and she seemed to keep him at arms length when they lived together - she doesn't see him as immediate family, and if R+L=J is true, he is her cousin. Cousin marriage was perfectly acceptable in medieval times (and in many cultures to this day).



Sansa wants to return to Winterfell very badly. If Jon is somehow released of his vows to the Night's Watch, he is a prime candidate to be Lord of Winterfell. If legitimized in Robb's will, he could end up being King of the North with Eddard Stark's daughter as a bride. This would really cement the North together.



This would further merge the Targaryan dynasty into the Stark, creating an extremely strong family alliance. Is it enough for the Starks to come out of this with their bloodline further diluted with other Houses, with the only Stark blood coming from Jon's mother and Jon the heir to the Targaryan dynasty and bearing their name?




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This theory has always seemed possible, but I really can't picture Jon going along with that. Jon never seemed to think of her that way.



Then again, Victarion never thought of Asha that way either, and we saw how that awkward scene almost played out...


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I haven't read the Hedge Knight or the Dunk n Egg novellas, though I'd like to read the She-wolves of Winterfell. Could we get the text of the tourney that suggests Sansa's suitors?



I'm pretty sure one is Baratheon, which Jeoffrey wasn't really, so there's some wiggle room with the parallel.


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I sincerely hope not. I actually think it'd be cool if Sansa and Arya were sort of Jon's Rhaenys and Visenya, so to speak, but I draw the line at marriage. They might biologically be cousins but mentally and emotionally they're siblings. It's too much.


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I agree with the OP. I basically think that Jon and Sansa will be improved versions of Ned and Catelyn and that they'll be the combination to help set things right in the seven kingdoms.



I agree that Sansa has never viewed Jon as a brother the way that Robb, Arya, Bran, and Rickon did and do. There's a reason IMO that they were the only Stark siblings to not have a close relationship and I think it's to make a marriage between the two not feel so squicky. I don't see what the big deal is anyway since I agree that they're more than likely cousins. I just don't see that the sibling bond with Jon and Sansa is strong emotionally at all.



I'd be squicked out if it were Arya though. That doesn't seem right because they have a sibling bond that is strong and obvious.



There are two other things that made me consider the theory:


When Jon becomes Sansa's hero by cutting off Janos Slynt's head. (Not Sansa knows that Jon killed Slynt but I think it's significant that Jon ends up being the person/hero that Sansa thinks doesn't exist.)


And in ACoK when Sansa wraps herself in Sandor's white cloak and we get the words "blood and fire" and Sansa suddenly feels safe and protected. I felt like that was foreshadowing that Jon would be protecting Sansa at some point via marriage. (Either that or the moment was foreshadowing of the marriage to Tyrion.)



As for superficial things in favor of the theory--



We know Jon likes redheads. ;-)


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I haven't read the Hedge Knight or the Dunk n Egg novellas, though I'd like to read the She-wolves of Winterfell. Could we get the text of the tourney that suggests Sansa's suitors?

I'm pretty sure one is Baratheon, which Jeoffrey wasn't really, so there's some wiggle room with the parallel.

Don't have the text in front of me, but here's the champions:

  • Lyonel Baratheon
  • Leo Tyrell
  • Tybolt Lannister
  • Humfrey Hardyng
  • Prince Valarr Targaryen

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This theory has always seemed possible, but I really can't picture Jon going along with that. Jon never seemed to think of her that way.

Then again, Victarion never thought of Asha that way either, and we saw how that awkward scene almost played out...

This is, of course, the only problem in this flawless plan.

Still, somewhere in my head I keep thinking that there is one other person who would have something to say about this and whose wishes also matter. Wait, could it be... Sansa?

So, yep, perfect plan, except that it makes no sense at all, and that both Jon and Sansa would be creeped out by the idea.

But, obviously it must happen, since some girl at some tournament 90 years before had ceremonial champions from several of the Great Houses and one minor one. Yep, super strong evidence. Totally makes sense (though not according to any Earth logic).

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Don't have the text in front of me, but here's the champions:

  • Lyonel Baratheon
  • Leo Tyrell
  • Tybolt Lannister
  • Humfrey Hardyng
  • Prince Valarr Targaryen

So:

Joffrey

Willas

Tyrion

Harry the Heir

a Targaryen

That could imply she ends up married to or betrothed to Aegon, whether or not he's actually Aegon. Joffrey wasn't really a Baratheon but I'd say he still "counts" for the purpose that foreshadowing set.

But, obviously it must happen, since some girl at some tournament 90 years before had ceremonial champions from several of the Great Houses and one minor one. Yep, super strong evidence. Totally makes sense (though not according to any Earth logic).

I actually think the D&E thing is an easter egg (including stuff like the Lannister fighting the Tyrell; the Lannisters and Tyrells fought over Sansa's marriage). I just don't think the Targaryen points to Jon.

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The only people that marry their sisters are Targaryens and people from Kentucky. So no, it's not happening.


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Thr killer blow to this theory is that Sophie Turner - the actress playing Sansa in the Show - is freakin tall for a woman, while the dwarfish guy playing Jon Snow is, well, dwarfish.

If this pairing was the end result the producers were aware of, they would pave picked a more likely looking pair, so that the hero of the story is not towered over by his wife at their long anticipated wedding.

That's my view and I'm sticking to it.

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The only people that marry their sisters are Targaryens and people from Kentucky. So no, it's not happening.

If Jon is not really Ned's bastard, they aren't siblings or even half siblings. If Jon is the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna, then Sansa is his cousin. Cousin marriage is generally not considered incestuous and in large parts of the world is not considered unusual at all. There's several states in the USA that allow first cousins to marry.

Re: the show, making a short actor appear taller than a tall character is pretty easy. Sophie Turner is only one inch taller than Kit Harrington.

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Ah, my favorite "Incest rulz! Starkcest especially! - Let's unite the two fandom bicycles into one gigantic superbicycle" theory strikes again.

If you subscribe to the theory that the order of the champions for Lord Ashford's daughter in "The Hedge Knight" corresponds to the men that Sansa was betrothed to, after Harry Hardyng she is going to be betrothed to a Targaryan.

They don't, or else there would be an Arryn there. Sansa was just as betrothed to Sweetrobin as she was to Willas.

There are a few clues that Sansa may marry Jon.

If by "a few" you mean "none at all".

First, of the Stark children, she is the only one who never referred to Jon as her brother - only as a half-brother, and she seemed to keep him at arms length when they lived together -

she doesn't see him as immediate family,

Um, she has referred to him as her brother every time she mentions him. In fact, the first thing Jon mentions about her is that she is always calling him "half-brother". A half-brother is brother and is immediate family. The last time we saw her, she thought how sweet it would be to see her last remaining brother.

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If Jon is not really Ned's bastard, they aren't siblings or even half siblings. If Jon is the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna, then Sansa is his cousin. Cousin marriage is generally not considered incestuous and in large parts of the world is not considered unusual at all. There's several states in the USA that allow first cousins to marry.

Mentally and emotionally they are siblings. Adopted siblings in the same family might not share any DNA at all, but would most of them be squicked at the idea of having sex with each other? I'm going to say probably yes in the vast majority of cases.

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Thr killer blow to this theory is that Sophie Turner - the actress playing Sansa in the Show - is freakin tall for a woman, while the dwarfish guy playing Jon Snow is, well, dwarfish.

If this pairing was the end result the producers were aware of, they would pave picked a more likely looking pair, so that the hero of the story is not towered over by his wife at their long anticipated wedding.

That's my view and I'm sticking to it.

Then this is truly the one thing we can thank D&D for. (Grudgingly...)

Ah, my favorite "Incest rulz! Starkcest especially! - Let's unite the two fandom bicycles into one gigantic superbicycle" theory strikes again.

:lol: That's really all this is.

I thought the clues indicated that Jon was going to marry Jon... :dunno: Why are you ignoring conclusive undeniable evidence?

:lmao:

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