Northmen sellsword company

[RumHam]

Grrm mentioned somewhere that Yandel's words are purely "world-building" and mostly Gyldayn's words are the ones that would play a part in the story plot in the future.

Don't suppose you have a link or remember where he said this? I'd like to read it.

[Veltigar]

It's very unlikey that the Manderley's - of all Northern houses - stayed in touch with the Anti-Targaryen exiles. The Manderley's in TWOIAF have consistently been portrayed as the most pro-Targaryen House in the entire North.

[TheSovereignGrave]

Disbanded and joined over sellsword companies or returned home most likely.

Either way i cant see them having much success. The rulers of westeross would hate them and in the free cities they are competing with tons of other companies, as well as many well established, massive companies, such as the gold company.

Nah, im pretty certain they died out.

Well the Company of the Rose would've formed three centuries ago, long before the Golden Company. And if the Wiki's correct, there are a few named sellsword companies that are even newer than they'd be.

[Luddagain]

Why assume that the Company of the Rose would die out any more than any other Westeros based sell sword company. Presumably they would be replenished every Winter with homeless old and adventurous Northmen. I imagine a few of Cregan's unwanted sell swords would have made their way to Essos and some may well have joined the CoR.

[Luddagain]

If the CoR DO still exist I would expect them NOT to be hired in Essos. After all they are Northmen, used to cold and snow and ice. They will be somewhere in the far, far east where it is cold. So far east in fact they will arrive from the west

[VVSINGOFTHECROSS]

If the CoR DO still exist I would expect them NOT to be hired in Essos. After all they are Northmen, used to cold and snow and ice. They will be somewhere in the far, far east where it is cold. So far east in fact they will arrive from the west

Isee what you did there.

Have a cookie

[Luddagain]

Thinking again about the wandering wolf, Rodrik Stark, Ned's Grandpa, where did he wander? We know he spent a bit of time with the second sons, but where else did he wander? Is he even dead? Ned was 34 or so when the series started, his mother perhaps 18-20 when he was born, so she would be 55-57 at the end of DwD. Assuming Rodrik married young (they all did), then Rodrik would be in his 70s (much younger than Walder Frey).

[thelittledragonthatcould]

Thinking again about the wandering wolf, Rodrik Stark, Ned's Grandpa, where did he wander? We know he spent a bit of time with the second sons, but where else did he wander? Is he even dead? Ned was 34 or so when the series started, his mother perhaps 18-20 when he was born, so she would be 55-57 at the end of DwD. Assuming Rodrik married young (they all did), then Rodrik would be in his 70s (much younger than Walder Frey).

He's dead, he would have been mentioned in the series if he was still alive somewhere. Considering that Rodrick's daughter married his brothers Grandson I think we can assume that he married late(or had his kids late) rather than early. We know that he went to Essos with the Second Sons but considering that he married his other daughter to a Stormlands House we can assume that he also spent time in there, infact he may have been close with the Baratheons thus explaining the marriage alliance between his granddaughter and Robert B.

Maybe he fought, and possibly died, in the Nine Penny wars with both Ormund and Steffon Baratheon and did something so brave that got the future marriage alliance.

[Luddagain]

Generations are very short in Westeros, so there is no reason to assume a generational incompatibility. It was more than possible to Catleyn to have a baby with Ned who would be younger than a child of Robb's. If Ned had NOT gone South then probably Cat would have had one or two more children while Robb would probably have been married to someone (Alys Karstark??) and had a child of a very similar age. Sansa would probably have been been married at 14 and had a child at 16. Such a child could well be younger than the last child of Catelyn.

In the era girls seemed to marry at 14/15 and have they first child when they are 16 or so (Catleyn, Lyssa (pregnancy), Lyanna, Sansa, Margaery etc). Their own mothers would be little more than 32 , so it is more than possible - almost probable that a child could be 8-10 years OLDER than their aunts or uncles.

[The_lost_arryn19]

Some little facts I know that might help make this easier to figure out.

- cregan did not march home by him self and every Northmen did not stay south. A lot of men stayed south but you have to imagine that logically at least a quarter of his army went back home with him.

- Tywin on AGoT raised 3 armies total for twot5k. The first under his command had about 20k men that were well trained and equipped. The second army under Jaimes command which was destroyed and scattered had 15k men that were well trained and armed. These 2 armies were the cream of the crop for the west. I really don't remember now many men were in the third army that was "the dregs of lannisport" but it was under the command of ser stafford who was killed and this army was destroyed and scattered. This means Tywin raised a lot of men but not nearly

80k men.

- renly and the reach were only able to approach such a grossly high number of men in his army because it was the combined strength of the reach and the stormlands.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

Tywin has raised a total of 41,000 men. 20,000 with himself, 15,000 with Jaime, 10,000 with Stafford with 4,000 of them being survivors of Jaime's host and the rest the utter dregs. Maybe add another 1,000 split among the castles.

That's the full strength of the Westerlands, the most centralized region of Westeros and therefore by far the fastest to recruit their men.

[Free Northman Reborn]

Yes, one has to imagine that the West has the best infrastructure and logistical capability of all the kingdoms, given their vast wealth and relatively small geographical area. Having better roads, bridges and logistical systems than the other kingdoms seems fairly likely, especially given Tywin's priorities and style of rule.

So that will mean that they are able to raise their full potential much faster, will be able to supply them much better and be able to project them much more effectively than other regions can.

So they will be able to raise their full strength much faster than the likes of the North ever could.

The West raised around 41k men altogether, as BBE stated above. There is talk of regrouping the remnants of Stafford's host, and maybe bolstering it with further raw recruits, but I can't imagine that this will take them above 45k in total.

Also worth bearing in mind is that Tywin is able to recruit a far higher number of sellswords from outside the West, than other kingdoms can, given his immense wealth. So of that 45k total, a larger percentage will be foreign sellswords, than in the Northern army, for example.

[thenedstark]

Don't suppose you have a link or remember where he said this? I'd like to read it.

Sorry. It was in a video someone had posted here. Can't find it now