Fortitude (TV series) -Stanley Tucci, Michael Gambon, Christopher Eccleston

[StannisForKing299AL]

I'm really begining to doubt anyone is ever going to find Ronnie.

Also, this has officialy become Alien on Ice. Which is still pretty good. Looking forward to how this turns out.

[Isis]

EXCITE!

I'm hoping so hard that this ep is the best of all and that it makes some sense of what has happened already. I don't object to ambiguity or not explaining stuff to the smallest detail but... I just hope they don't contradict something they already said or come out with some super bad science. *crossing fingers*

[SheRa Seastar]

Only caught up on this last night, then had to sleep with a fly buzzing round my bedroom. Worst night ever.

Who did the Spanish girl murder?

[red snow]

ETA:

Hi, Frank. How are you?

110%!

LOL

He is clearly a reality TV fan :P

I think they'll wrap it up but in one of those slightly annoying "Space for another season type of ways". I think most of the personal arcs have been covered and expect the others to wrap up. The parasite thing too.

If we never see another season I'm going for last shot having someone arrive in an airport in mainland europe with the implication of "we're all doomed" or if they milk another season it'll be that Fortitude is quarantined and they have to survive alone.

Not sure how I'd feel about a second season though - maybe best leaving it as is. The people and their reasons for murder/duplicity have been more interesting than the parasite thing for me. although it's nice to see a "realistic" take on a rage/zombie story that was never sold as one.

I didn't expect Tucci's character to die and it was a nice turnaround to see the original murder victim wasn't as innocent as I assumed. Definitely made the scene of him screaming while chained to the pylon different with some added context. That scene also looked gorgeous with the chunks of ice washed up along the beach. Better yet. the shot of the sea water freezing in front of our eyes next to the devoured body.

I certainly hope Sky produces more programming of this quality in future though. Maybe they are becoming a bit embarassed how sky atlantic has such great shows but they don't make any of them

[Isis]

PARASITED ISN'T A FUCKING WORD

[Isis]

Anyway, what did the other five people (or however many on here who watched the show) think?

I really liked that spooky Marcus popped back up to mention consequences and also to say, 'hey, what if it wasn't parasites making people behave weirdly, what if it was just people being fucking awful, hmmm?' A very good question.

And you know, I'm cool with seeing more parasitology on TV, I really am. I'm just annoyed they dropped a clanger by saying 'parasited' instead of parasitised because that's just a basic lazy error. There is some basis for what they were proposing though - there have long been links suggested between infection with Toxoplasma (protozoan parasite which lives in the brain) and odd behaviour (including suicide). There is also the infamous Dicroecelium, a fluke which alters the nervous system of one of its host (an ant) to force it to climb to the tip of a blade of grass at night and wait to be eaten by the next host (cattle). <3 parasites

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[StannisForKing299AL]

PARASITED ISN'T A FUCKING WORD

Yeah, but I'm parasited for series 2

Only caught up on this last night, then had to sleep with a fly buzzing round my bedroom. Worst night ever.

Who did the Spanish girl murder?

They never said, I don't think it was related. Maybe they'll bale them put in series 2?

And yeah, they got confirmed for series 2, incase anyone didn't know.

[Isis]

LOL

Elena (? and her boyfriend) killed a guy dinnerware somewhere else, before she got to Fortitude.

[Isis]

Honestly. Fuck Swype. It's intent on inserting capital letters into wOrds or switching words at the last second before I hit 'done'.

[Winterfell is Burning]

Shouldn't we change the title of the thread since all the actors mentioned are dead on the show? Also, HOLY SHIT, the show has killed it's three most famous actors before the season even ended.

Anyway, a great ending for one of the most unique shows I have ever seen certainly; there's many worse, some might even be better, but there's nothing quite like this. I'm looking forward to s02.

[StannisForKing299AL]

LOL

Elena (? and her boyfriend) killed a guy dinnerware somewhere else, before she got to Fortitude.

Yeah, but I don't think the guy was to do with anything involved in the story. Who knows, maybe her boyfriend will turn up in series 2?

I swear after the Tucci/Gambon scene on the glacier, with that plot twist, I though it was gonna turn out to be Dan's 'daddy'...

[Isis]

Yep. Someone asked who she killed. I was just saying that it was stated a few eps back, what she did.

Also, are we supposed to assume that the girl that Elena whacked on the head then stabbed with scissors dies?

[SheRa Seastar]

Yep. Someone asked who she killed. I was just saying that it was stated a few eps back, what she did.

Also, are we supposed to assume that the girl that Elena whacked on the head then stabbed with scissors dies?

When she said 'were two murderers alone, together' I thought I'd missed an episode, but I haven't.

[dooog]

Just watched yesterday's episode. A while ago I read that sky atlantic were probably going to green light a second season but that it'd be unrelated to season 1 with a new set of characters altogether. So with that in mind I thought the finale was found wanting, or hoping that i'd miscounted and there was one more episode yet to air, they left far too much stuff unresolved to end the whole thing like that.

Anyway, I gather from the comments here that this isn't the case and that a second season will continue this story? has anyone got a link

[Isis]

There is a link within my link above, as to the second season.

SheRa: I think you missed something if you didn't see the part about Elena's past. It came out while she was being investigated after the murders started happening in Fortitude. She was accused of murder, along with her boyfriend at the time. She was at least partially responsible for someone's death, which is why she says to Dan that they are both murderers.

I'm pretty happy with how the finale tied things up actually. Barring the incomplete parasitology parts... Like what is the other host supposed to be? So back in the day (60, 000 years ago) if the wasp lays its eggs in host 1 which then SOMEHOW (pretty violently achieved by the human hosts in the show!) deposits the larvae into host 2 (the mammoth) then what was host 1? Answers on a postcard... to me at the diagnostic patasitology lab where I work please.

[Maltaran]

Couldn't host 1 have been another mammoth? Humans are hosts for both stages in modern times, couldn't mammoths have filled both roles back in the Ice Age?

[SheRa Seastar]

@Isis thanks, I suspect my fella was complaining that I had Fortitude on during this part.

[red snow]

I really liked that spooky Marcus popped back up to mention consequences and also to say, 'hey, what if it wasn't parasites making people behave weirdly, what if it was just people being fucking awful, hmmm?' A very good question.

I noticed it isn't a spoiler thread but as you say there are only 5 people watching and think we are past the point of no return. so here goes.

I liked that part too, and i think he may have had a point in that a lot of the killings may have had underlying motivations (although I doubt the kid had a reason to kill his target). Not entirely sure why Marcus popped up at the moment though.

I think the final episode was a let down. It was a monumental one if there wasn't another season. Fortunately there is another one.

I realised that I simply don't care about a lot of the characters. I like Marcus and Dan (possibly because of the actors) but honestly didn't feel any sense of peril for the others. Going forward they'd be wise to make the most of those two.

Again, I think the show is missing "something" but it's gorgeous to watch (although the CGI is painful in comparison to the natural visuals). Reminds me of shows like "hell on wheels" in that sense. Season 2 could pick up though depending entirely on where they go with it. Some new characters are probably essential though.

Shouldn't we change the title of the thread since all the actors mentioned are dead on the show? Also, HOLY SHIT, the show has killed it's three most famous actors before the season even ended.

This isn't really a surprise for me as season 2 will cost a lot less, plus I doubt any of those actors would really like to be pinned down to a show for a few years. These days if the actors are known for movies, I put them on the "most likely to die by the end of the season/not come back"

As for the host thing - I'm guessing they'll find some neanderthals in a pit at some point. Hopefully just mouldy, defrosted ones and not reanimated ones. It would help explain how they work pretty well in humans given the fact they were (still are until we diverge) our closest relatives. Maybe even tie it in with their extinction?

Then again, we had evidence it makes Polar bears and dogs mental too - so it's maybe not a very picky parasite (which I guess isn't what usually happens)

[Isis]

Couldn't host 1 have been another mammoth? Humans are hosts for both stages in modern times, couldn't mammoths have filled both roles back in the Ice Age?

It seems odd to me that a parasite would use the same host twice for two different purposes. Doesn't make sense from a biological POV.

We see the first human host tearing people apart in order to deposit the parasite into the alimentary canal. So you would need an equivalent for that role 60, 000 years ago. Do you see (herbivore) mammoths going round tearing apart other mammoths? With what? I suppose they have tusks... Actually, I'm really not down with the whole tearing open the next host in order to deposit the parasite.. again, that really doesn't make sense biologically. That's a risky behaviour for the first host - essentially getting into combat with another creature of equal size and strength - who is to say that the first host will be successful in that endeavour?

And more to the point, why do the larvae need to be deposited into the gut of the next host? Again, this is poor, lazy 'science'. It's a rare parasite that actually stays exactly at the point of entry to their new host. They almost all move around, especially if they are going to undergo development within that host, e.g. some worms enter from the soil into a person's foot and travel in the bloodstream to the lungs, get coughed up and swallowed in order to enter the gut. So no reason whatsoever why this particular parasite in the show can't just get into the bloodstream and travel somewhere or, you JUST GET EATEN by the next host!! That's the traditional method of gaining entry to the gastointestinal system after all.

I know it makes good TV for people to get ripped open though, rather than say have someone puke on their face. Although that's pretty visceral too if you ask me.

[StannisForKing299AL]

It seems odd to me that a parasite would use the same host twice for two different purposes. Doesn't make sense from a biological POV.

We see the first human host tearing people apart in order to deposit the parasite into the alimentary canal. So you would need an equivalent for that role 60, 000 years ago. Do you see (herbivore) mammoths going round tearing apart other mammoths? With what? I suppose they have tusks... Actually, I'm really not down with the whole tearing open the next host in order to deposit the parasite.. again, that really doesn't make sense biologically. That's a risky behaviour for the first host - essentially getting into combat with another creature of equal size and strength - who is to say that the first host will be successful in that endeavour?

And more to the point, why do the larvae need to be deposited into the gut of the next host? Again, this is poor, lazy 'science'. It's a rare parasite that actually stays exactly at the point of entry to their new host. They almost all move around, especially if they are going to undergo development within that host, e.g. some worms enter from the soil into a person's foot and travel in the bloodstream to the lungs, get coughed up and swallowed in order to enter the gut. So no reason whatsoever why this particular parasite in the show can't just get into the bloodstream and travel somewhere or, you JUST GET EATEN by the next host!! That's the traditional method of gaining entry to the gastointestinal system after all.

I know it makes good TV for people to get ripped open though, rather than say have someone puke on their face. Although that's pretty visceral too if you ask me.

Maybe they had other hosts, like wolves or an animal that can use biting as a means of transmission?

Maybe the mammoths got stung by mature wasps IDK. I mean they mentioned the whole cannibal Polar Bear thing. Maybe the mammoths were infected by something else?

But I agree, the rip open thing seemed to be mostly for effect.

As to the success of the first host against the victim, I think the trust factor is the issue, in that the "zombified" (not really, but still) host is the same as the other, we see plenty of times on the show how people don't really view it as a threat. I assume this would be the point to that strategy.